Terrible First 3 months of Marriage

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iserve:
If SG thought she was so “right” then it seems she wouldn’t be asking. The harm being done to her is psychological, and it does more damage that if he did hit her and then it was over. But, this guy seems to want her to think she is also his property, and he is so smart at computers that it spills over into everything- including it seems, the some intellectual necessity of making her feel stupid and ridiculous. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to realize that talent in one area doesn’t mean he has it everywhere, and the job situation seems to have gone to head about everything. Sounds to me like you want SG to be like his employers, chasing him around so he can “donate” 10 hours a week of his precious time to their marriage, just like he gives to the job. Meanwhile, he tells his boss what he’s going to do, when and how. For myself, I wouldn’t get into a contest with him, because he’s determined to win- it seems, at all costs. I would let him go, not wanting to be another one of his trophys.
If he cares at all, he’ll meet you half way, SG, otherwise, shake the dust from your shoes and let some these guys here write fantasies about proving themselves in a crappy marriage. The real thing is a torment and a disservice to all involved.
Ah, more analsys of a man we never met:
  1. Addicted to pornography.
  2. A sex addict
  3. Not worthy of trust.
  4. Liable to become violent and abuse his wife (although she says different)
  5. Likely to start engaging in illegal and dangerous activities (like creating computer viruses.)
  6. A likely victim of child abuse.
  7. He is harming her psychologically.
  8. He wants her to think she is also his property
  9. He has some intellectual need to make her feel stupid and ridiculous.
I think I’d recognize this guy if I saw him on the street – the horns, tail and cloven hooves would be a dead give-away.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
I know you feel sorry for him, maybe SG can drop him off at your house so you can get a better look. Maybe he’ll be so fond of your tolerance that he’ll move in with you for the rest of your natural lives, and your little “family” can work out an arrangement for his tantrums and he can share his porn with you. Then you can get your medal and live happily ever after ( especially if he doesn’t change and you can point out to the world how many inexhaustible solutions can crop every time you find one that doesn’t quite work out, not to mention how you can brag to us how holy it feels to be long-suffering.)
 
Iserve how long have you been married ?

Living with someone take more than a mere 3 months to make it work.

IF you are not willing to work on your marriage it is doomed from the beginning. Very, very few matches are so compatible that there are no disagreements.

We are talking about making a lifetime of commitment and everyone here wants to throw in the towel at the first sign of trouble. If this were a couple of years down the road and no progress was being made I’d be inclined to agree with those tactics, but this is the very beginning of a long term relationship.

Every marriage I know of reaches a point were the bliss wears off and arguments and disagreements seem like they are insurmontable. Folks who have not been through the rough times just don’t get it. You have to be determined to make things work.

No, you do not have to take abuse, and there should be mutual comromise BUT it takes time to build a strong relationship. It has simply been too short a time frame to make the changes and build the mutual love and understanding that is needed. It does not come overnight, and it does not come without a lot of effort on both sides.
 
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iserve:
I know you feel sorry for him, maybe SG can drop him off at your house so you can get a better look. Maybe he’ll be so fond of your tolerance that he’ll move in with you for the rest of your natural lives, and your little “family” can work out an arrangement for his tantrums and he can share his porn with you. Then you can get your medal and live happily ever after ( especially if he doesn’t change and you can point out to the world how many inexhaustible solutions can crop every time you find one that doesn’t quite work out, not to mention how you can brag to us how holy it feels to be long-suffering.)
With all our obsession with his (supposed) sins, maybe we’ve lost time for thinking about our own sins.

Many of us have come to hate a man we’ve never met. What ever happened to judge not lest you be judged?
 
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Ruthie:
I have some ideas…

First of all, Seminole Girl says hubby is very passive-aggressive. I am a past master of the art. It is NOT a good thing.

Example: When I was living at home, my mother would ask me to do the dishes, and I’d say, “OK.” I’d continue doing what I was doing. She’d say later, “Are you going to do the dishes?” I’d say, “yes.” This scene would be repeated, with her becoming more and more annoyed, until she’d go into the kitchen and do the dishes, with lots of slamming and banging to let me know how mad she was.

Guess who didn’t have to do the dishes? :rolleyes:

Funny thing is, the few times she didn’t get all irritated at me for not doing them on her schedule, I went ahead and did them.

So, SG has my sympathy.

I’ve had two thoughts about your situation, SG. Of course, I’m not there, so feel free to disregard me!

First, you lived with roommates, and gained valuable experience in sharing your living space. Has he? … My hubby moved into my house, that I worked for and bought. I was amazed at how long it took me to think of the house as “ours.” Three years - and I was trying to. And if your hubby has worked from home for quite a while, that could give him even more “territorial” feelings. (Which could explain why he broke down the door - he was locked out of HIS house -and then just went to bed. Not that I think he was right to do it/)

In that case, you could tell him something like “I feel frustrated, because I expected to share your life, and I feel like you won’t even share your house.”

Second, about the porn. Most posters seem to think your hubby is addicted to it. Maybe not. He may have been using it to “help” him keep from pestering you about pre-marital sex, in which case it would be, though sinful, intended to be loving. Or… being passive-aggressive, I can see him thinking “she won’t give me any; I’ll show her!” In either case, he might easily have given it up when you were married.

As I said before - this is all theory. I wasn’t there!

It’s possible that you may have confronted him about it, sounding like you believed he preferred it to you, when he actually didn’t. Or, sounding as if you thought it was a permanent offense, when he meant well. A typical passive-aggressive thought would be, “FINE. Think what you want.” Which can lead to, “If I’ve been wrongfully convicted of it, I might as well go ahead and do it.” (That last is how I got started using illegal drugs.)

One thing about passive-aggressive people - we are the most stubborn, hard-headed folks you will meet. We just hide it well.

Some general advice about dealing with the passive-aggressive: Ask once. Don’t nag. Be gently stubborn yourself - don’t do whatever it was you asked him to, even if it makes you nuts. (Like my mother and the dishes - she never learned!)

Yelling and screaming will not work. It will either be tuned out, or more likely he will go somewhere else, like into “his” room and shut the door, or out driving. If he can’t get away, he will lie to you to get you to shut up. (I have done all of these.)

So don’t yell. Stay calm. Try to be logical.

Now some general, how-to-be-married advice. Thank him for every nice thing he does, even when it’s something he should do. Do it a lot, don’t slack off. It’s a great habit to get in to. When he thanks you, say “You’re welcome,” with a loving look. Maybe a smooch. Or say, “Oh, I only did it 'cause I love you.” My sweetie thanks me for cooking dinner, and I thank him for putting out the trash.

Second, when there is a disagreement, sit down and think it over, and see how much of it is your fault. Even if it’s 99.999 per cent his fault, apologize for your part of it, and lay off about his part.

That may seem like wimpy, servile advice - but it’s not. For one thing, it gives you the moral high ground. Stick to it stubbornly! We passive-aggressives don’t like to be out-stubborned! It gives him something to strive for.

Good luck. I’ll pray for you.
This is really good insight.
 
vern humphrey:
I’d recommend you make up with him, apologize for locking him out and wait until he outgrows his problems with porn. You took vows to love one another. If you live up to yours, perhaps he will live up to his.
Let’s all just bury our heads in sand and “perhaps” it will all go away one day. One does not out grow a problem with porn especially someone who takes such a disrespectful attitude toward his wife. Yes she locked him out, probably not the most productive solution but this after they guy says screw you and your feelings, I can do whatever the hell I want.

My husband is a recovered alcoholic, has had porn addiction in the past, suffered from chronic depression, experimented with drugs in the past and is now free from all of it and it did not happened because I was “kind” to him.

I tried your approach at first. We were only 18/19 when we got married so I thought he would just mature and grow out of his issues. It didn’t get better it got worse. Years and years of a roller coster ride of ups and downs before I finally admitted to myself this was true addiction and it wasn’t going to go away.

A combination of things helped over time, marriage encounter & retrouvaille. Our NFP class was very instrumental in helping my husband see porn from my perspective. I threw out the porn but with the internet it just too easy for anyone to view.

For a while I locked my husband off the internet by changing the password. I felt sick doing because I felt like I was treating him like a child but the idea of him viewing porn was killing me inside. He had promised me before we got the internet he wouldn’t look but within 2 months he was. I finally gave him the password and it didn’t take long before the problem came back.

I don’t think men understand the effect that them viewing porn has the women that love them. I have several friends that have husbands that have struggled with this and it is horribly painful. Would you say “I’d recommend you make up with him, apologize for locking him out and wait until he outgrows his problems with adultary”?

My husband rarely goes online for any reason anymore, and it’s usually when I’m home. He admitted after getting the caught the last time (this was quite a while ago) that it was an addiction because as much he would try not to he’d find himdelf doing it again. I believe porn is crack for the mind and it’s highly addictive.

Problems do not going way by pretending they are not there or by just “loving them” away. My husband never has taken the attitude SeminoleGirl’s has. He was apologetic, he’s never said “my house”, it’s always been our house. He certainly would never kick down the door.

I think this young woman does have grounds for an annulment if she chooses to seek one. It seems like he was all hearts and roses until “I do” and then it became I’ll do what ever I want to do. He deceived her. It sounds like he’s very successful and used to getting what he wants. His house, his stuff, his wife -just another thing that he’s aquired. If she feels that this is truly his attitude and that he doesn’t really have a understanding of what the marriage covenant is then is best to seek annulment now before children come into the picture.

An annulment is not some Catholic divorce. It says there was no valid marrige to begin with. If there is no valid marrige then why should she endure painful emotional abuse.

I have been married 15 years and our relationship is now rock solid but it took years of work on both our parts- not let’s all pretend there isn’t a problem. Not I’ll just be a kind and loving wife and maybe he’ll change his ways.

If you chose to stay in the marriage I would do a marriage encounter weekend with your husband -it’s a great way for a couple to learn communication skills so you can listen without becoming defensive.

Good luck SeminoleGirl, I’ll pray for your situation.
 
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rayne89:
Let’s all just bury our heads in sand and “perhaps” it will all go away one day. One does not out grow a problem with porn especially someone who takes such a disrespectful attitude toward his wife. Yes she locked him out, probably not the most productive solution but this after they guy says screw you and your feelings, I can do whatever the hell I want.
Wow, her husband is really bad, isn’t he?

You think it’s enough to lynch him, or should we boil him in oil?

After all, there’s no need for a trial – look at all the crimes he’s committed.
  1. Addicted to pornography.
  2. A sex addict
  3. Not worthy of trust.
  4. Liable to become violent and abuse his wife (although she says different)
  5. Likely to start engaging in illegal and dangerous activities (like creating computer viruses.)
  6. A likely victim of child abuse.
  7. He is harming her psychologically.
  8. He wants her to think she is also his property
  9. He has some intellectual need to make her feel stupid and ridiculous.
  10. He says, “screw you and your feelings, I can do whatever the hell I want.”
 
vern humphrey:
Wow, her husband is really bad, isn’t he?

You think it’s enough to lynch him, or should we boil him in oil?

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What concrete solutions do you plan to offer or are you enjoying having a pity party for her poor misunderstood husband?

So far all you seems to say is be the perfect wife and maybe someday he’ll come around. His behavior is immoral - viewing porn is a mortal sin - it is a big deal.

Yeah my husband had a lot of problems (thanks for the sarcasm). Marriages are happy and successful if the couple can learn the skills to deal with the problems that come along and if they learn how to forgive.

I certainly don’t know the ins and outs of this young woman’s relationship, only she can make the call on that. All I can do is add what I know from my experience. What’s your experience with porn Vern?
 
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rayne89:
What concrete solutions do you plan to offer or are you enjoying having a pity party for her poor misunderstood husband?
Sounds to me like you REALLY don’t like this guy – a guy you never met, and only know from two posts on the internet.

My solution was to use love, not confrontation or emotion. I laid out three key points:
  1. What is your objective?
  1. Is your present course of action achieving that objective?
  1. Remember that you can only control you own behavior.
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rayne89:
So far all you seems to say is be the perfect wife and maybe someday he’ll come around.
No, I’m saying that you can only use the variables you can manipulate – which in this case is the OP’s own behavior. What she’s doing now (emotional confrontation) isn’t working – by her own admission.
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rayne89:
His behavior is immoral - viewing porn is a mortal sin - it is a big deal.
So is condemning other people – especially based on something as flimsy as a couple of posts on the internet.
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rayne89:
Yeah my husband had a lot of problems (thanks for the sarcasm). Marriages are happy and successful if the couple can learn the skills to deal with the problems that come along and if they learn how to forgive.
And the first step is to break the behavior pattern associated with the crying, locking out and kicking down doors.
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rayne89:
I certainly don’t know the ins and outs of this young woman’s relationship, only she can make the call on that. All I can do is add what I know from my experience. What’s your experience with porn Vern?
I’ve never posed for any.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
  • Wow, her husband is really bad, isn’t he? You think it’s enough to lynch him, or should we boil him in oil?
*No, I think he should move in with you and you should love, honor and cherish him for the rest of your natural life:D Just imagine all the fun you’re gonna have, and we can sit back and admire you for it at the same time.

I think you’ve met YOUR match in him, Vern :clapping:**
 
iserve said:
* Wow, her husband is really bad, isn’t he? You think it’s enough to lynch him, or should we boil him in oil?*

No, I think he should move in with you and you should love, honor and cherish him for the rest of your natural life:D Just imagine all the fun you’re gonna have, and we can sit back and admire you for it at the same time.

Isn’t it fun to hate and condemn other people?

iserve said:
I think you’ve met YOUR match in him**, Vern :clapping:

And nasty, personal insults are so in keeping with our Catholic values.
 
That’s why we need good folks like you to show the best part of the Catholic Church. You don’t condemn anyone and want all those other people out there to suck it up and live in misery for the sake of your version of the kingdom.
 
vern humphrey:
Sounds to me like you REALLY don’t like this guy – a guy you never met, and only know from two posts on the internet.
I don’t have any feelings one way or the other for “this guy”. I don’t like his behavior that SG has described. She was asking for advise based on the behavior she described in her posts.
vern humphrey:
My solution was to use love, not confrontation or emotion.
Great except we’re dealing with humans nor computers. When something hurts us deeply is very difficult and generally unhealthy to stuff those feelings. I don’t think she should be nasty but she has a right to her feelings. Is it wrong to tell your husband this behavior is hurting me? Do think when women cry it’s just manipulation as if it’s just some planned tactic in array of choices they have to get their way?
vern humphrey:
So is condemning other people – especially based on something as flimsy as a couple of posts on the internet.
I’m not condemning anyone, I’m answering based on the information provided and my own life experience. Porn hurts marriages.

This is from St. Jospeh’s Covenant Keepers
dads.org/article.asp?artId=243

**We recommend that you: **
*****learn all you can about breaking a pornography addiction
*****contact a hotline or counselor, to assist you in
developing an intervention strategy
*confront your husband’s problem (similar to a drug or alcohol intervention)
*practice “tough love” with your husband. Assist him in overcoming his addiction, but do not enable his addiction by covering up his behavior
*****resist any perverted sexual demands from your husband (pornography addicts frequently desire to “act out” the perversions they view)
*****resist the false notion that if you make efforts to become “sexier” it will solve your husband’s pornography problem
*****maintain a pleasant appearance and warm physical affection for your husband. Sometime wives will attempt to become more attractive in order to compete with the women in the pornographic images, in the vain hope of curing the addiction this way. After such an attempt fails, a wife can feel disgusted and then go to the opposite extreme of neglecting her personal appearance and abandoning physical affection toward her husband. In the midst of this crisis, avoid the extremes. Regarding physical appearance and affection, just follow the prudent pattern that any Christian wife should
be careful in accepting addiction recovery advice. An addicted husband is more concerned with a selfish fulfillment of his addiction than with how the addiction is harming those around him. Too frequently, bad advice is given to wives when they are counseled (even by Christian counselors) to deal with a spouse’s addiction by: preserving self, asserting self, and forgetting him by just looking out for self. What is really needed is a dependence upon God (not self) as your source of strength, and a “tough love” approach towards your spouse. You obviously need to take all necessary steps to protect your health and safety, but such prudent protection does not consist of a recovery plan focused on self
*****participate in an organization that can help you and your husband to rebuild intimacy and strengthen your marriage (see the links for recommended organizations under “Help for Hurting Marriages” at www.dads.org)
do not deny the problem and do not delay seeking assistance. Spouses of alcoholics routinely take seven years to reach the place where they will finally acknowledge that their spouses are alcoholics. On the average, it is an additional two years before they seek and obtain assistance; in the meantime, nine years of alcoholism have ravaged family life. Although you might be tempted to ignore your husband’s pornography addiction, don’t. Pornography, like alcoholism, isn’t a problem that gets better with time if left untreated. Involvement with pornography is an escalating habit. After getting informed, take immediate steps to help your husband root out his addiction rather than allow it to deepen and degenerate.
 
Shame on you!:nope:

This poor woman comes here anonymously with a big problem asking for help and guidance.

What does she get? A bunch of people who take so much pride in their own opinion that they completely forget that there is a real couple who needs help.

Some people have offered good advice, shared their own experience hoping it might help, and/or just offered prayers.

Her and her husband need our prayers and our compassion more than anything right now. We cannot tell her what to do, we can only offer suggestions. She’ll have to figure out for herself the right path to take.

I for one do not hate or condemn her husband. I doubt that SeminoleGirl hates or condemns him either. If she did she would have just left him and not bothered asking for advice on how to save her marriage.

Please take a brief moment to really think about what you are going to post here and make sure it is really in the spirit of helping.

…getting down off my soapbox now…ouch…oooofffffffff…when did this thing get so high???..🙂

Malia
 
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iserve:
That’s why we need good folks like you to show the best part of the Catholic Church. You don’t condemn anyone and want all those other people out there to suck it up and live in misery for the sake of your version of the kingdom.
It would help if we referred back to Christ and looked at how He handled things like this. Judge not, lest you be judged.
 
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rayne89:
I don’t have any feelings one way or the other for “this guy”. I don’t like his behavior that SG has described. She was asking for advise based on the behavior she described in her posts.
Look at all the condemnation and accusations leveled against this guy – by people who don’t even know him.

We don’t even KNOW that he’s “addicted” to porn – we only know that his wife found some and it’s become a bone of contention between them.
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rayne89:
Great except we’re dealing with humans nor computers.
Which is why I recommend love and prayer, not confrontation and condemnation.
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rayne89:
When something hurts us deeply is very difficult and generally unhealthy to stuff those feelings.
That’s often used as an excuse to attack other people – so as to “let them know how I feel.”
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rayne89:
I don’t think she should be nasty but she has a right to her feelings. Is it wrong to tell your husband this behavior is hurting me? Do think when women cry it’s just manipulation as if it’s just some planned tactic in array of choices they have to get their way?
I think the OP has clearly stated that crying does not work. That’s why I suggested trying another tack.
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rayne89:
I’m not condemning anyone, I’m answering based on the information provided and my own life experience. Porn hurts marriages.
But you ARE tacking on a long post about porn as if the husband had been tried and found guilty of being addicted to it.

However she may ultimately deal with the problem, it is clear that her current course of action – emotional confrontation – is not working. Not until she finds a way to break the cycle can ANY further actions be taken.

That’s why I advise love and prayer.
 
vern humphrey
The “key” is to find a strategy to bring that outcome about. As the OP indicated, her current strategy is not working.
I recommend love and prayer.
And I would recommend Tough Love with Prayer.

Either the porn goes, or she goes.

Sounds like this fella seriously needs to get his boat rocked a little.

A lot actually …
 
vern humphrey:
I’d recommend you make up with him, apologize for locking him out and wait until he outgrows his problems with porn. You took vows to love one another. If you live up to yours, perhaps he will live up to his.
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