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robins in garish type:
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Who said we were ‘meaningless’? I haven’t seen Richard Dawkins posting here.
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So now it is only a flawed theory. Before you said that it wasn’t even science. I guess you are evolving!
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Nice try, Tim! If you go back to our original discussion in this thread, post #30 to be exact, I clearly state that I teach evolution to be an erroneous theory. So I guess I haven’t evolved even though it appears that I have. Sounds like the whole theory of evolution. You think something could have happened, therefore it must have.
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I quoted you word for word! Or are you implying that I use my heart to make decisions just because my brain doesn’t accept the “evidence” as proof of the flawed theory like yours does.
Thank God we are all different!
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You are right. But then you changed (evolved). From that thread, post #94Nice try, Tim! If you go back to our original discussion in this thread, post #30 to be exact, I clearly state that I teach evolution to be an erroneous theory. So I guess I haven’t evolved even though it appears that I have. Sounds like the whole theory of evolution. You think something could have happened, therefore it must have.
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The last quote is actually iteration of your evolving position! Even more evidence of evolution to ignore!
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No, actually I never claimed the theory to be scientific! Only an erroneous theory! I claimed the theory to be in the philosophical realm, not scientific (see post #82 which is before post #94 but I’m sure you did not purposely omit a valid fact). Since I never did claim it to be a scientific theory, I am proud to say that I have NOT evolved!
And I am not ignoring any so called evidence. I simply choose to deem it invalid, inconclusive, and therefore, not believable. I have showed one argument, which you will not accept, and I have many more. I choose to deem the “evidence” presented by evolutionists invalid for those reasons.
This must be very important to you since you seem to hijack any thread that even mentions the theory of evolution, by trying to make everyone believe your so called evidence, and to seemingly condemn those who do not.
Enlighten me Tim, why? Why is it so important to you that I believe this theory? Why am I not free to assess the “evidence”, evaluate it, and make my own mind up?
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I thought I would enlighten you with a couple other words of wisdom:
2Mac 7:28 it says “I beseech you, my child, to look at the heavens and the earth and see everything that is in them, and to recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed.”
If we don’t take the bible literal with these very clear statements what are we to do with the other very clear statements.
Huh?
As well as: :dancing: :clapping: :bowdown:
In an unfortunate new twist on this old controversy, neo-Darwinists recently have sought to portray our new pope, Benedict XVI, as a satisfied evolutionist. They have quoted a sentence about common ancestry from a 2004 document of the International Theological Commission, pointed out that Benedict was at the time head of the commission, and concluded that the Catholic Church has no problem with the notion of “evolution” as used by mainstream biologists - that is, synonymous with neo-Darwinism.
The commission’s document, however, reaffirms the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of design in nature. Commenting on the widespread abuse of John Paul’s 1996 letter on evolution, the commission cautions that “the letter cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe.”
Furthermore, according to the commission, “An unguided evolutionary process - one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence - simply cannot exist.”
Quote from Cardinal Schonborn
An influential cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, which has long been regarded as an ally of the theory of evolution, is now suggesting that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be incompatible with Catholic faith.
Darn it!!! Gosh I thought Jesus was not only God and Man but ooze, or ape, or ferret. Guess not
Thanks Be to GOD!!!
God Bless
2Mac 7:28 it says “I beseech you, my child, to look at the heavens and the earth and see everything that is in them, and to recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed.”
If we don’t take the bible literal with these very clear statements what are we to do with the other very clear statements.
Huh?
As well as: :dancing: :clapping: :bowdown:
In an unfortunate new twist on this old controversy, neo-Darwinists recently have sought to portray our new pope, Benedict XVI, as a satisfied evolutionist. They have quoted a sentence about common ancestry from a 2004 document of the International Theological Commission, pointed out that Benedict was at the time head of the commission, and concluded that the Catholic Church has no problem with the notion of “evolution” as used by mainstream biologists - that is, synonymous with neo-Darwinism.
The commission’s document, however, reaffirms the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of design in nature. Commenting on the widespread abuse of John Paul’s 1996 letter on evolution, the commission cautions that “the letter cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe.”
Furthermore, according to the commission, “An unguided evolutionary process - one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence - simply cannot exist.”
Quote from Cardinal Schonborn
An influential cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, which has long been regarded as an ally of the theory of evolution, is now suggesting that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be incompatible with Catholic faith.
Darn it!!! Gosh I thought Jesus was not only God and Man but ooze, or ape, or ferret. Guess not
Thanks Be to GOD!!!God Bless
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Why is it that you cry “hijack” when I respond to a thread? Are you hijacking a thread you reply to or is it just me?
I don’t care one way or another what you think, Ted. Unfortunately, though, you are posting your thoughts to a public thread and I disagree with what you are posting. When you post things like your unresearched and unsubstantiated claim that biology professors at Creighton University don’t accept evolution as a science, shouldn’t I respond? Or should I just ignore your attempt to mislead those that don’t know any better?
Are you saying that I shouldn’t reply? If I do, am I hijacking the thread? Why am I not free to evaluate the evidence and make up my own mind?
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Yes, that is very clear. God created everything out of nothing. What does that have to do with evolution?I thought I would enlighten you with a couple other words of wisdom:
2Mac 7:28 it says “I beseech you, my child, to look at the heavens and the earth and see everything that is in them, and to recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed.”
If we don’t take the bible literal with these very clear statements what are we to do with the other very clear statements.
Huh?
I accept everything in that document. Can you say the same?
I love this Pope! He has consistently affirmed the role of God in EVOLUTION!Indeed, in the homily at his installation just a few weeks ago, Benedict proclaimed: “We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution. Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved, each of us is necessary.”
Quote from Cardinal Schonborn
God Bless
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WHATEVER!!! I don’t think you have read things very clearly my friend. The primorial ooze must be leaking? Huh, you think. 
The ones that keep fighting in here are you really Catholic or just someone here for a fight with Catholics?
The ones that keep fighting in here are you really Catholic or just someone here for a fight with Catholics?
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I am not crying. I am saying that is what you do when you deviate from the original post and sway the topic to the subject you so desperately want to “prove”. Read the whole thread again. I think it is clear.
My thoughts that I posted originally in both threads originally had nothing to do with the validity of your theory. I responded to attacks one a posters intelligence in BOTH threads that you and I have engaged in discussions. YOU swayed BOTH conversations to your agenda. I simply defended those that you claimed knew nothing about science or had no business teaching their children the subject of science.
You are correct on one point. My comment about Creighton was unresearched. My point with that comment was dealing more with your statement (to which you never offered a reference) that 99.9% of scientists believe your theory. I figured Crieghton would be as good a school as any to use as an example that you are wrong. Excuse the error. I know have a better understanding.
No. You are as free as anyone. Just stay on topic. It’s called hijacking when you don’t stay on topic. This thread was never about your evidence, but you seem to always manage to get it there. You are as free to evaluate your evidence as I am. So now we can agree to disagree… AGAIN.
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robins,WHATEVER!!! I don’t think you have read things very clearly my friend. The primorial ooze must be leaking? Huh, you think.
The ones that keep fighting in here are you really Catholic or just someone here for a fight with Catholics?
Please read through the rules. Questioning someone’s “Catholicness” is not appropriate.
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Tim,
Amen. I love the fact that the Catholic Church is taking on the fundamentalists and asking Catholics to listen to science. The Church loves us enough stand up to those who would keep people in a state of ignorance and fear. And it’s the Catholic Church that again shows us that our faith can be strong even when we cannot understand all the mysteries of the earth and heavens.
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I apologize to those that I offended for my comment that questioned someone Catholicness.
My Catholicism has been question every time I argue against evolution so I hope the “setting right” doesn’t just fall on those of us that do not agree with evolution. I also wondered if there were people here just to fight.
Scientist are always proven wrong by some other scientist. So in reality they don’t know the truth they all just think they do. Plus no scientist that wants to be taken seriously believes in the evolution that is being taught in school. My childrens school wont teach evolution as a fact because it hasn’t been proven. Thank GOD
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“An influential cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, which has long been regarded as an ally of the theory of evolution, is now suggesting that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be incompatible with Catholic faith”.
That doesn’t say the Catholic Church agrees with evolution.
My Catholicism has been question every time I argue against evolution so I hope the “setting right” doesn’t just fall on those of us that do not agree with evolution. I also wondered if there were people here just to fight.
Scientist are always proven wrong by some other scientist. So in reality they don’t know the truth they all just think they do. Plus no scientist that wants to be taken seriously believes in the evolution that is being taught in school. My childrens school wont teach evolution as a fact because it hasn’t been proven. Thank GOD
.“An influential cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, which has long been regarded as an ally of the theory of evolution, is now suggesting that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be incompatible with Catholic faith”.
That doesn’t say the Catholic Church agrees with evolution.
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Not here it hasn’t. Whether you think evolution is right or not is irrelevant to your Catholicism. It’s you that keeps on, incorrectly, saying that evolution is incompatible with Catholicism.
Unfortunately this kind of sweeping statement merely shows that you don’t appreciate how science works.
Did the scientists who worked out how computers should work get proven wrong by someone else? If so, what are you typing on?
You may thank God that your children won’t be taught science, I think it is rather a shame. I say again, evolution is a scientific fact.Plus no scientist that wants to be taken seriously believes in the evolution that is being taught in school. My childrens school wont teach evolution as a fact because it hasn’t been proven. Thank GOD
As accepted by some scientists, yes. People read different things into evolution. Richard Dawkins interpretation of what evolution means is somewhat at odds with Catholicism, for example, yes
It neither agrees nor disagrees; it’s not important to our faith. It’s a matter of science.
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Not always. Only when they are wrong.
The search for the truth is a never-ending journey, whether it is in science or faith. Science deals with truth based on currently available evidence. If evidence is subsequently found that points in a different direction, that is where scientists go. If evidence contradicting the current theory of evolution is found, the theory will be modified because that is what a scientific theory is - the best explanation of the available evidence. Any new theory, though, will have to explain the evidence used to develop the theory in the first place.
How is it being taught in school?
Would your children’s school be opposed to teaching gravitational theory on the same basis?My childrens school wont teach evolution as a fact because it hasn’t been proven. Thank GOD
I don’t know where you got that quote since you gave no source, but it is clear that the Church doesn’t have a problem with evolution. The Church does have a problem with any theory that rejects God’s involvement in the process. Notice I didn’t say that the scientific theory had to include God’s involvement, only that it can’t reject God’s involvement.
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I don’t see that anyone here questioned your “Catholicness.” It was simply the contention that the Church finds evolution incompatible with Catholicism when it does not.
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Well, in terms of Darwinistic evolution, a H*** NO! We only have one ancestor and that’s Adam. Whoops! Is that a tail growing out of my butt? Guess not (sarcastically)!
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Now that was an intelligent post. Thanks for sharing.
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