Hey Adonis,I work for Schertz School District .We are out by RandolphAFB.Have never had any school shootings here either.I am not quite sure how to feel about this.I teach in one of the largest school districts in Texas (NISD). We have NISD police officers on each campus - and usually have at least two officers on each HS campus at all times - sometimes more. All of our NISD cops were previous San Antonio Police Officers - or have been through the SAPD academy.
My understanding is there has never been a school shooting where you have Campus Police Officers present (as opposed to an off duty sheriff’s deputy).
It’s one thing to have a concealed gun permit for personal protection (I am planning on getting mine) - however - having a gun permit is does not mean you have tactical training.
That is my concern.
It’s pretty dumb to suggest protecting against a hazard with a “protection” that’s more dangerous than the hazard. And as you see, far more kids are killed by accidental discharge of firearms than are killed in school by firearms.False dicholotomy. Because something is considerably less dangerous does not make it unworthy of addressing.
Actually, it’s already in place. And it’s working. The number of homicides in schools have dropped markedly in the last few years.You offer no solutions, at least not any that will stop the slaughter about to occur.
Well, then build one over your house. It makes more sense than arming teachers. And if you send your kid to school, it would be much safer for you to make him wear a life jacket at all times. The hazard from drowning in torrential rains is higher than the hazard from being shot at school.BTW - NASA is working on the meteorite shield, in a sense, by tracking NEO’s and developing plans to deal with them.
For you, this isn’t really about protection, is it?Then there should be no problem with letting CCW license holders carry guns in schools.
I see. However, you are using instances of kids being killed by accidental firearms at home and applying it to handguns on the persons of people screened and trained to carry them. Why?It’s pretty dumb to suggest protecting against a hazard with a “protection” that’s more dangerous than the hazard. And as you see, far more kids are killed by accidental discharge of firearms than are killed in school by firearms…
The only one I know of happened about ten years ago in Austin when a man shot himself in the foot. I know of know fatalities. In one case a man committed suicide with his weapon, but I do not see how that would be relevant.I’d be willing to see your numbers on the comparative rates of kids shot by intruders in school, and the number of accidental shootings by those licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
Maybe it is about one in 14 million. But I’d like to see it.
Like some priests, or police, or etc. I do not see where this affects concealed handguns. Intimidation of sexual abuse victims does not involve threatening death. Guilt is the common source of intimidation. Ruining reputation, destroying families; these are realistic threats and tactics used. If a teacher wanted to threaten to shoot an abuse victim, he would not need the gun strapped on him to do it, but that kind of threat is not realistic so it is not the one used.Also, many of these teachers are criminals: many of them are sexual deviants and prey sexually on young boys and girls.
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CCW License holders are ALREADY trained.Hey, I’m for it. They are going to train everyone and make sure they know what they’re doing. Right?
If you do get some stats, let us know. Then we can make a meaningful comparison. Somehow I don’t think it’s as good as one in 14 million (present chances for a school student to be shot).The only one I know of happened about ten years ago in Austin when a man shot himself in the foot. I know of know fatalities. In one case a man committed suicide with his weapon, but I do not see how that would be relevant.
They sent Tom DeLay to Congress. Can’t get more crooked than that. Hardly “liberal.”The poll showed us earlier that most of us want this so democracy should have its way. On one hand such polls are far from scientific. On the other two hands, Houston is one of the more liberal areas of the state
I don’t have numbers but you should take a look at the fact that there have been school shootings STOPPED by armed faculty members and, in at least 1 college, stopped by armed students. There have been a few cases of this being reported by the mainstream media. So far ZERO cases of innocent students shot by teachers/administrators/lawfully armed students.I’d be willing to see your numbers on the comparative rates of kids shot by intruders in school, and the number of accidental shootings by those licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
And for you, Barbarian, it seems like you are using this as an argument against CCW. Perhaps you could post the stats of how many children have been shot with a gun owned by a CCW holder.Barbarian observes:
The key is to spend your time and money on the threats most likely to do the most damage. And shootings aren’t even close to being a significant hazard in schools.
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Then there should be no problem with letting CCW license holders carry guns in schools.
For you, this isn’t really about protection, is it?
I’ll bet there isn’t any because it never happened that a CCW holder ever committed a violent crime with ANY weapon in a school.And for you, Barbarian, it seems like you are using this as an argument against CCW. Perhaps you could post the stats of how many children have been shot with a gun owned by a CCW holder.
All of these, of course, are much, much more likely than an intruder shooting a child in school. It would be stupid to ban them, but it would at least be logical to ban them before bringing guns on campus to combat a much smaller danger.No more wood and metal shops. Stop all sports more kids are injured it sports than anything else. Don’t forget the cheerleading squads. I already mentioned banning cars. Also pens and pencils come on little Johnny can stab himself. No more shoes with shoestrings little Johnny could trip. Oh I almost forgot no more school during winter little Johnny could get a cold.
Apparently so. A rational approach to hazard is to deal with the realistic ones first, and then maybe, if you have the resources, to deal with the meteorite strikes later, providing your fix isn’t actually more hazardous than the event you want to control.I have seen the light. From now on I will make all my decisions by my emotions not by logic.
This confused me. I thougth that this was the first time that a school wanted CCL teachers to be allowed to carry guns. Surely you are not comparing kids that bring guns illegally onto campuses. If this is a new idea, what numbers can exist?So far, the numbers say that it’s more dangerous to have guns on campus than to not have them.
That was my point, as well. Gun free zones have caused the deaths of a number of students at places like VT. As far as I know, No one with a CCW permit has ever been responsible for the death of a child in his care. We would have less accidental gun deaths of children outside of the school grounds if we taught them how to be safe around firearms as part of their education, but I don’t see that happening anywhere, even with parent consent.I’ll bet there isn’t any because it never happened that a CCW holder ever committed a violent crime with ANY weapon in a school.
That being the case, there is really no reason to not allow ALL ccw-holders to legal carry firearms in schools.
The federal government keeps numbers on school violence. Any given school can expect a shooting about once every 12,000 years.This confused me. I thougth that this was the first time that a school wanted CCL teachers to be allowed to carry guns. Surely you are not comparing kids that bring guns illegally onto campuses. If this is a new idea, what numbers can exist?