Texas School District Will Let Teachers Carry Guns

[PaperMoon]

Maybe if you cut some one off a CHL holder is not the person to be worried about. it’s the criminals; not law abiding Texans.

I wonder what the families of Virginia Tech might think? Just think if one student or one teacher at Virginia Tech was allowed to carry they could have took out that mad dog.

At Columbine a teacher had his carry gun that day but that state like Texas has that dumb law about not carrying in schools. His gun was in his car parked off campus. More kids would probably be alive today if that teacher would have had his weapon and be allowed to defend himself?

Like myself I carry in my Church after Mass on Sundays our Bible study group meets across the parking lot in a school I cannot carry in there. Why it’s against the law and I obey the law.

I can carry everywhere on Church property except in that one building.

The law makes no sense. Criminals don’t care about law. We had a massacre here in my City of Killeen, Texas check out what Dr. Hupp says:

Dr. Susanna Hupp on Gun-Free Zones

Hi whatevegirl, did you listen to what Dr. Hupp had to say? She was at Luby’s where her parents were murdered my some nutcase.

I always hear this “Guns are not the answer.”

Then what is the answer? A kid or an adult comes into a school starts killing students and teachers. What are you going to do? Call 911? Hello to late kids and teachers are already dead!

Teachers should have the right to defend themselves.

If guns are not the answer; please tell me the answer?

I agree, gun laws only affect lawabiding citizens because those who will shoot up schools and kill kids do not care about laws in the first place, the ony ones abiding by gun laws are the lawabiding citizens who no one has to worry about because they are lawabiding citizens! The criminals feel so much more secure knowing that the law forbids lawabiding citizens to carry weopons, it makes their job so much easier. Then they can rob, shoot, and hurt people without worry about getting shot or killed themselves. It’s a shame schools have become so unsafe but not allowing at least 1 teacher to carry a concealed weopon leaves all of the school kids sitting ducks for any sicko who wants decides to shoot up a school.

 

[hosemonkey]

I agree, gun laws only affect lawabiding citizens because those who will shoot up schools and kill kids do not care about laws in the first place, the ony ones abiding by gun laws are the lawabiding citizens who no one has to worry about because

Well said! Good post.

 

[joe_clark]

Joe, not sure where you get your information but Pennsylvania is an “OPEN CARRY” state and you are legally allowed to carry a gun on your hip displayed for all to see.

As for you statement about Texas requiring that your weapon be carried open, that is also absolutely false.

Both states allow for either open or concealed carry. As do many others.

I don’t know where you live, but I live in Pennsylvania. I have two permits to carry, one as a citizen and act 23 letal weapons training from Pa state police. Act 235 is for carrying a weapon when you work. In this state, in our literature, you must carry a weapon concealed. The only exception is if you are a security guard wearing a uniform. That is the law here.I can send you info if you need it.

 

[Wolseley]

The Constitution doesn’t give rights. It only recognizes certain rights we have, without ruling out others. Hence, we have a right to vote, but not a constitutional right. Our rights, as indicated in the Declaration, come from God.

I always tell people they have the Constitutional right to do whatever they want.

If they ask me, “Where is that in the Constitution?”, I always say, “Why, it’s in Justice Blackmun’s ‘penumbra’. Remember the ‘penumbra’? Well, I can make things up just as easily as he could.”

 

[melensdad]

I don’t know where you live, but I live in Pennsylvania. I have two permits to carry, one as a citizen and act 23 letal weapons training from Pa state police. Act 235 is for carrying a weapon when you work. In this state, in our literature, you must carry a weapon concealed. The only exception is if you are a security guard wearing a uniform. That is the law here.I can send you info if you need it.

Joe, you are not familiar with the whole law. Open carry IS legal and practiced in PA. In simple format, let me ask and answer your questions, because it will ask/answer a lot of people’s questions.

1. Is open carry legal in PA?
   
   Answer: Yes, with some restrictions.
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Anyone whom can legally own a firearm in the commonwealth can openly carry, on foot, with the exception of court facilities, federal buildings, motor vehicles and cities of the first class (Philadelphia)

Those person possessing a valid License to Carry Firearms are also permitted to carry openly (or concealed) while in a vehicle and in cities of the first class.

1. Do I need a permit to open carry in PA?
   A PA License to Carry Firearms (LTCF) is needed to open carry in a vehicle and cities of the first class (Philadelphia)

A LTCF is not needed for open carry on foot in the rest of the commonwealth save for prohibited areas.

1. Can I be charged with “brandishing” or “disturbing the peace” if I open carry in PA?

*Short answer: * Yes, you could be charged with a number of violations by an unknowing LEO. BUT, the charges would not be applicable, per the statutes, for merely open carrying. Commonwealth v. Hawkins 1996 clearly states that open carry, in and of itself, lacking any actual threatening or illegal behavior on the part of the person open carrying, is not grounds for a “stop and ID” by police. As such, open carry can not be anything warranting a “stop and ID” or greater reaction such as detainment or arrest.

Long answer: There is no “brandishing” or “disturbing the peace” law in PA. The most often threatened charges against someone open carrying is “disorderly conduct”, and “terroristic threats”.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.
(a) Offense defined.–A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.
   Though this section does not deal with firearms, due to the nature of this code, this law has been cited by officers to suppress or discourage lawful open carry. Since a person who is not licensed per §6109 or exempted by §6106(b) MUST open carry their firearms on foot in order to avoid criminal charge, nor is there any duty for anyone licensed to conceal their handgun, open carry is not disorderly conduct. The open carrying of firearms is not by itself threatening, nor does it cause a hazardous or physically offensive condition. There are also two cases that that specifically state that a person may carry a firearm openly: *Commonwealth v. Ortiz and Commonwealth v. Hawkins. *

In summary, with case law to support, OC is legal and does “serve a legitimate purpose of the actor”. Therefor OC can not be Disorderly Conduct per the letter of the code itself.

§ 2706. Terroristic threats.
(a) Offense defined. A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to: commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another; cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation; or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience, or cause terror or serious public inconvenience with reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.
(e) Definition.–As used in this section, the term “communicates” means conveys in person or by written or electronic means, including telephone, electronic mail, Internet, facsimile, telex and similar transmissions.
As with disorderly conduct, this code section has been used to suppress or discourage lawful open carry. “Convey” means to communicate, either orally or by written or electronic means. Because the open carry of firearms is not a communication as defined by this section, it cannot be terroristic threatening.

Also, again, Commonwealth v. Hawkins 1996 clearly states that open carry, in and of itself, lacking any actual threatening or illegal behavior on the part of the person open carrying is not grounds for even a “stop and ID” by police. As such, open carry can not be anything warranting a “stop and ID” or greater reaction such as detainment or arrest.

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I hope that helps you out. Open Carry is becoming much more popular, and is legal in many states. Pennsylvania does not require you conceal your weapon in most areas and does not require a license to open carry while walking down the street. Philly has special regulations, as do some other cities. Many people are simply unaware of it being legal. It is also common for people to be informed by law enforcement officers who are ignorant of the laws that it is illegal, when in fact it may well be legal.

 

[PaperMoon]

Well said! Good post.

Thanks!

 

[Sir_Knight]

I don’t know where you live, but I live in Pennsylvania. I have two permits to carry, one as a citizen and act 23 letal weapons training from Pa state police. Act 235 is for carrying a weapon when you work. In this state, in our literature, you must carry a weapon concealed. The only exception is if you are a security guard wearing a uniform. That is the law here.I can send you info if you need it.

Joe, I also live in PA and there is no law against open carry. If I open carry, I can be charged with various things like disorderly persons or public disturbance or things like that but there is no violation which cites the open carry of a firearm.