Thank God for Evolution!

[drpmjhess]

I’m not sure if Ed is mad that they can do it and he can’t or that “they” are doing it. Apparently he doesnt believe in women’s rights or most anything…I really think I shall say a novena…that much anger and pain calls for a response.

SpiritMeadow, two thoughts:

(1) It’s curious that although Jesus never preached against bikinis, he did suggest that if a man’s eye causes him to sin, he should pluck it out (I assume it applies to women as well).

(2) Ed contends that showing 90% of the skin is sinful. I wonder at what percentage it becomes unsinful. 60%? 40%? 22%? Where on this spectrum does it become necessary to lobby for a Christian total burqah? Conservative Muslims set a precedent with demanding total veiling to keep men from sexual temptation. I’d like to see an argument for modesty articulated that sets out just where the dividing line is between modesty and immodesty, and that is not conducted in a misogynistic tone that focuses on female modesty.

 

[edwest2]

This might interest you:

catholic.org/featured/reality.php?ID=2219

Mysoginistic? Nonsense word.

God bless,
Ed

 

[drpmjhess]

This might interest you:
catholic.org/featured/reality.php?ID=2219
Mysoginistic? Nonsense word.God bless,Ed

Yes, I recognize that there is a vast range of opinion about what constitutes modesty and immodesty. For some it is a burqah; for others a loin cloth.

 

[edwest2]

The Catholic Church is rather black and white about this. Opinions are not the issue.

God bless,
Ed

 

[drpmjhess]

The Catholic Church is rather black and white about this. Opinions are not the issue.God bless,Ed

Black and white thinking? Please clarify. I will wait to hear from you before ordering a burqah for my wife.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

How does any of this most recent discussion about bikinis have anything to do with thanking God for evolution?

drpmjhess, whenever you have a chance I would like you to respond to my previous questions if you could please.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3030996&postcount=250

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3031046&postcount=251

Same too with SpiritMeadow.

I’ve asked you both several questions concerning your opinions on things in order to clarify them. I still haven’t heard any response yet but would like to.

Thanks in advance.

 

[The_Barbarian]

Evolution is the way, brought to you by empirical science. Just take this simple formula and you will be transformed! Into what?

A bag of chemicals whose primary purpose is to reproduce? Or, a post-human, cybernetic device that is programmed?

Minus an immortal soul and a knowledge of good and evil, and that’s about it. Fortunately for us, God arranged it so we have those things.

And thus, if we are willing, we can be with Him forever.

 

[drpmjhess]

Do you accept that God allowed these same things to happen to Israel as well as the nations around Israel?

The story the Hebrew scripture writers told about themselves and their experience with God must be read in light of the jumbled political texture of the Ancient Near East. The Hebrews were a relatively small Semitic group constantly jostled by the machinations of superpowers like Sumer, Akkad, Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Greece, and Rome.

The vicissitudes of Hebrew fortunes followed the geopolitical ebb and flow of these imperial superpowers over many centuries. For about four hundred years, during the composition of the Pentateuch and its redaction into what we know as the Deuteronomic History, the inspired Hebrew authors interpreted the events going on around them – and their own varying fortunes of “chosenness,” exodus, wandering, the “promised land,” kingdoms, apostasy, destruction, forgiveness, faithfulness, exile, and return – they interpreted each of these events providentially as being revelatory either of divine chastisement or of divine favour.

Petrus

 

[Neil_Anthony]

The vicissitudes of Hebrew fortunes followed the geopolitical ebb and flow of these imperial superpowers over many centuries. For about four hundred years, during the composition of the Pentateuch and its redaction into what we know as the Deuteronomic History, the inspired Hebrew authors interpreted the events going on around them – and their own varying fortunes of “chosenness,” exodus, wandering, the “promised land,” kingdoms, apostasy, destruction, forgiveness, faithfulness, exile, and return – they interpreted each of these events providentially as being revelatory either of divine chastisement or of divine favour.

Exactly what any non-believer would say. Maybe evolution really does lead to athiesm?

 

[drpmjhess]

Exactly what any non-believer would say. Maybe evolution really does lead to athiesm?

Are you accusing me of atheism? I thought only a few others on this forum did uncharitable things like that.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Nice attempt to dodge. You’ll note that most of the current issues the Church is dealing with concern human sexuality and its misuse: pornography, contraception, embryonic stem cell research, in-vitro fertilization, gay marriage.

**Yes, many bemoan the Church’s obsessive interest in sexuality. **

You can attempt to ignore these issues but the breakdown between the proper relationship between men and women lays squarely on the shoulders of Hippies, Anarchists, Communists, the National Organization for Women and pornographers.

**you blame all of societies so called ills on these groups? So feminists are destroying your church? Hippies? We get lumped with communists and anarchists. Do you have any authority for this, or is it just the way things look from Ed’s point of view? **
Neil_Anthony;3040201:

OMG it all makes so much sense now. The flower children are retiring and have time to learn theology.

**I fail to see the point of your statement, or the logic of it. I grew up in the sixties and went to college and law school. What do you mean that 60’s people didn’t learn any theology? I seemed to be taught where i went to school and in the Churchs my family attended. **

Ed, remember what Jesus said:

If you can’t see the excruciating pain that Ed is in because of all the losses he has suffered you might try reviewing a couple of months of his posts. Read together its clear the poor man feels that there has been a conspiratorial attack by diverse groups who have given up their natural differences in favor of banding together to destroy Ed’s world of Catholicism. His voice is a loud cry of anger and pain. That he has chosen to attack on evolution is neither here no there, its just the outburst of all this pent up anger. I consider it unfair and unkind to debate with him further. His misery is too palpable.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

\ Read together its clear the poor man feels that there has been a conspiratorial attack by diverse groups who have given up their natural differences in favor of banding together to destroy Ed’s world of Catholicism. His voice is a loud cry of anger and pain. That he has chosen to attack on evolution is neither here no there, its just the outburst of all this pent up anger. I consider it unfair and unkind to debate with him further. His misery is too palpable.

There has been a conspiratorial attack, it’s the forces of darkness and the final battle between good and evil. It’s even more upsetting when the battle starts taking place within the church rather than outside of it.

We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has ever experienced. I do not think the wide circle of the American Society, or the wide circle of the Christian Community realise this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the antichurch, between the Gospel and the antigospel, between Christ and the antichrist. This confrontation lies within the plans of Divine Providence. It is, therefore, in God’s Plan, and it must be a trial which the Church must take up, and face courageously."
From his farewell address in 1976, when as Cardinal Wojtyla of Krakow, he attended the Eucharistic Congress in Philadelphia

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Are you accusing me of atheism? I thought only a few others on this forum did uncharitable things like that.

I’m simply noting that so much of what you post could just as easily be stated by a non-believer, and questioning whether thats a path I want to go down.

 

[drpmjhess]

I’m simply noting that so much of what you post could just as easily be stated by a non-believer, and questioning whether thats a path I want to go down.

Mr. Ex Nihilo, it is either arrogance, ignorance, or your deliberate desire to write hurtfully that compels you to question the depth of my belief in and love for God. I’ve stated plainly in these fora that I’ve been Roman Catholic since 1959, that I have two children in Catholic school, that I’m very active in the life of my parish, and that I teach theology on both the graduate and undergraduate levels in Jesuit, Dominican, and Christian Brother universities. I believe an apology on your part is in order.

Prayerfully yours,
Petrus

 

[drpmjhess]

I believe an apology on your part is in order.Prayerfully yours,Petrus

Mr. Ex Nihilo – I’m sorry, my computer put in the wrong name, and my quick read didn’t see the mistake. It was Neil Anthony who insulted me, not you. I apologize.

Petrus

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Mr. Ex Nihilo, it is either arrogance, ignorance, or your deliberate desire to write hurtfully that compels you to question the depth of my belief in and love for God. I’ve stated plainly in these fora that I’ve been Roman Catholic since 1959, that I have two children in Catholic school, that I’m very active in the life of my parish, and that I teach theology on both the graduate and undergraduate levels in Jesuit, Dominican, and Christian Brother universities. I believe an apology on your part is in order.

Prayerfully yours,
Petrus

You said, it you apologize to yourself. If you’re insulted that I pointed out that many of your posts could also be posted by a non-believer, then try to post things that indicate your faith more often. I didn’t question your faith, I made a statement about the things you post.

 

[buffalo]

No I tend to think its because their parents who are my age lived through that time until people were given the right of “personal conscience”. Members of my family left practicing in the church because of the early 60’s refusal to allow contraception. When that was lightened, a lot returned. There was no doubt they knew what Catholic teaching was. It was in fact very liberal. Now of course everyone says that its not.

This contracepting parents are of course explaining that to their children. I doubt anyone is much unaware of what the teaching is.

Thou shall not contracept is quite different than Theology of the Body.

 

[edwest2]

edwest2;3040099:

Nice attempt to dodge. You’ll note that most of the current issues the Church is dealing with concern human sexuality and its misuse: pornography, contraception, embryonic stem cell research, in-vitro fertilization, gay marriage.

**Yes, many bemoan the Church’s obsessive interest in sexuality. **

You can attempt to ignore these issues but the breakdown between the proper relationship between men and women lays squarely on the shoulders of Hippies, Anarchists, Communists, the National Organization for Women and pornographers.

**you blame all of societies so called ills on these groups? So feminists are destroying your church? Hippies? We get lumped with communists and anarchists. Do you have any authority for this, or is it just the way things look from Ed’s point of view? **

If you can’t see the excruciating pain that Ed is in because of all the losses he has suffered you might try reviewing a couple of months of his posts. Read together its clear the poor man feels that there has been a conspiratorial attack by diverse groups who have given up their natural differences in favor of banding together to destroy Ed’s world of Catholicism. His voice is a loud cry of anger and pain. That he has chosen to attack on evolution is neither here no there, its just the outburst of all this pent up anger. I consider it unfair and unkind to debate with him further. His misery is too palpable.

I suggest anyone reading this listen to Al Kresta’s program on Catholic radio. He has been very articulate about what he calls the Catholic faithful’s “amnesia” over the last 30 years.

The groups I have identified are directly responsible for distracting and deceiving Christians of all denominations that it’s “all good,” “It’s all OK,” and “What’s the big deal.”

The primary tool of the devil is deception. And now, the children of these same people run the media, work in academia and in politics.

Anyone who attempts to deflect the truth by referring to me, or anyone, as suffering ignores that it is OK to hunger and thirst after righteousness. And I encourage all of my fellow Catholics to do the same.

God bless,
Ed

 

[davidv]

SpiritMeadow;3042848:

I suggest anyone reading this listen to Al Kresta’s program on Catholic radio. He has been very articulate about what he calls the Catholic faithful’s “amnesia” over the last 30 years.

The groups I have identified are directly responsible for distracting and deceiving Christians of all denominations that it’s “all good,” “It’s all OK,” and “What’s the big deal.”

The primary tool of the devil is deception. And now, the children of these same people run the media, work in academia and in politics.

Anyone who attempts to deflect the truth by referring to me, or anyone, as suffering ignores that it is OK to hunger and thirst after righteousness. And I encourage all of my fellow Catholics to do the same.

God bless,
Ed

That it is may be, but how does any of this have anything to do with evolution?

 

[SpiritMeadow]

How does any of this most recent discussion about bikinis have anything to do with thanking God for evolution?

drpmjhess, whenever you have a chance I would like you to respond to my previous questions if you could please.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3030996&postcount=250

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3031046&postcount=251

Same too with SpiritMeadow.

I’ve asked you both several questions concerning your opinions on things in order to clarify them. I still haven’t heard any response yet but would like to.

Thanks in advance.

I am in neither of these links.