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estesbob
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As always I accept the authority of the Church in these matters.
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qui_est_ce
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This is a topic for another thread. Clinton with all his affairs was a lot worse unrepentant and lied. I didn’t see his followers desert him. Remember the bumper stickers that came out when we invaded Iraq? Bush lied, people died. Basically excusing Clinton’s lies because nobody died.
Start another thread if you want to discuss annulments.
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_Abyssinia
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DNC is putting out anti Romney ads, are they threatened by Newt? They seem to be threatened by Romney.
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qui_est_ce
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They think Romney is gonna be it. I think Newt’s gonna get it, though.
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CMatt25
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What’s very very possible? By the South if you mean the southern Republican primaries, sure they could be very interesting. I’m just not sure how interesting if Newt, Herman, the anti Romneys et al, divide the Iowa vote just enough and Romney sneaks by with a plurality to win Iowa. And then goes on and makes it 2 for 2 in NH.
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gilliam
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Rick Perry Buys $1 Million in Ad Time on Fox News nyti.ms/v5SJT8
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gilliam
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If Romney wins Iowa and comes in 2nd in SC, the games over.
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Roy5
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No one among the GOP candidates at the moment has much appeal to me personally. I could possibly vote for Romney or maybe Huntsman, and maybe even Perry if he straightens out and presents himself better, but not Cain and never a moral delinquent like Gingrich. Sorry, but the skeletons he his in his closet will come out and undermine him before the convention or during the election. He would go down by a wide margin if he runs against Obama. Romney just might beat Obama, and possibly Perry if his campaign image changes.
I don't see how any Christian could vote for Gingrich in light of his life story. He is a good talker, though a bit boring and pedantic. I don't trust him for a moment. It will be his personal failures that will defeat him. The fact that he is a convert will balance out - lose about as many votes as it gets. Few people these days vote re religion, although some (including me) hesitate to put a Mormon in the White House. As a group, they are a fine, moral people, but their religion is so in conflict with basic Christianity (a different scripture, a different prophet, etc.) and I reluctant to give Mormonism the 'seal of approval' that a Mormon as our national leader might suggest to some.
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gilliam
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He was recently accepted into the Church. He has had a conversion. St. Paul and St. Augustine did not have very good early life stories either. People change, people go to confession, God forgives, that is part of Christianity too.
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CMatt25
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So you’re giving him NH? And if he wins IA by default, NH, and places 2nd in SC, you’re saying it’s Romney?
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gilliam
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Romney has NH. See:
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-1581.html
Here’s the list:
January 3, 2012 Iowa (caucus) - Romney is set to do very well here (caucus is usually one by spending money to bus people to the caucuses)
January 10, 2012 New Hampshire (primary) - Romney will win this, he is WAY ahead in the polls
January 21, 2012 South Carolina (primary) - if he comes in 2nd, he is positioned very well to win FL
January 31, 2012 Florida (primary) - Has been voting moderate, he has a good chance here
February 4, 2012 Nevada (caucus) - This is Romney country
February 4–11, 2012 Maine (caucus) - This is Romney and Newt country
February 7, 2012 Colorado (caucus) - Has been voting moderate
Minnesota (caucus) - Another caucus, Romney has the money to win this
February 28, 2012 Arizona (primary) - Has been voting moderate, state is turning purple
Michigan (primary) - This is Romney country
March 3, 2012 Washington (caucus) - This is Romney country and another caucus
All this will position him very well for
March 6, 2012 - Super Tuesday
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Elvis_Guy
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I’m backing the Rom Man!!! We need a man who…actually understands business no one on the field has that more!!!
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bellasbane
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I worry that Gingrich’s conversion is a fragile one that might easy crack under the stress of too much power. It’s kind of like worrying about a recovering alcoholic getting a job as a bar tender (although Sam Malone seemed to do OK - yikes, that shows how old I am
)I think he’s better off with his book writing and other side businesses. He would be fun to watch in a debate (although some might say he “would powerwash the patio” with Obama - thanks Langdell) the two of them going head to head would be something worth watching!
I’m not sure he really wants to win the nomination anyway.
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gilliam
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You might have a point there
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ishii
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Then why do you think he’s running? I ask seriously. Do you think he’s trying to increase the value of his brand? Lecture circuit $$, etc. ? (Cain has been said to be motivated by this).
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ishii
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I have followed Newt since his epic “special order” speeches in the House in the early-mid 80’s. He made the case for opposing communism simple and easy to understand. He was the thorn in Tip O’neils side, and later Jim Wright’s side. When it seemed that the Democrats would control the House of Reps indefinitely and that the House GOP would be controlled by moderates who wanted to “get along” with the majority like Bob Michel, there was Newt Gingrich, who was working to undermine the Democrat control of the House. I think many were surprised at the GOP victory in 1994. While Gingrich is often said to have lost to Clinton during the 90’s, it should be noted that it was Clinton that signed the GOP welfare reform bill " ending the era of big government."
Newt has his baggage. But there is not one candidate in recent history who has the skills, experience, and ideas that Gingrich has. Perhaps we have not heard the last of Newt. The race has become a choice between Romney and Gingrich. It is a difficult one for me to make. I have always had a deep admiration for Gingrich. Romney has strong qualities as well. I think we have two very qualified candidates in Newt and Romney.
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CMatt25
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FL elected a Tea Party favorite as governor last yr but I know the times they are a changin since 2010 and his support has fallen WAY down among the general electorate over the course of less than a yr in office. Though I honestly don’t know how FL Republican primary voters view him. FL also elected a Tea Party favorite as senator last yr. But if as you say FL Republican primary voters are voting more moderate than they did in 2010, you’ve convinced me on much of the rest Gilliam.
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Semper_Zelare
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Sorry, but Florida isn’t as important as South Carolina. Only South Carolina has the distinction of correctly naming the GOP nominee in every primary process since I think that primary began. Maybe it began back with Nixon.
Anyways, whoever wins South Carolina will win the nomination. And, I think it will probably lead to Florida as well.
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CMatt25
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You don’t have to be sorry. I don’t vote in FL Republican primaries. I was just discussing what happens if Romney wins Iowa either because as Gilliam alluded to, he has the $$ to get the vote out. Or because I wondered if the other candidates split the anti Romney vote, and he wins IA & NH, then what happens? 2 for 2 would be a good start. Gilliam thought if after all of that, if Romney then goes on to finish even 2nd in SC, he could take FL and go onto the nomination. How does it usually go if someone wins the first 2?
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_Abyssinia
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It is going to be a tough decision between Romney and Gingrich. But then again I would not count out Cain yet…
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