The absurdity of atheism

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tonyrey said:
Hinduism is not a universal religion like Christianity and in India it co-exists with the caste system which is incompatible with the teaching of Jesus that we all have a loving Father, the foundation of the principles of liberty, equality and - above all - fraternity.
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Hinduism is older than Christianity.

It’s got 3000 years on your newer religion.
 
PRmerger said:
Yes.

And you believe that nothing exists after death.

These are your very own words:

Yet you believe in nothing at death.

Despite never being able to demonstrate this in a laboratory.

How egregious!

And curious!

And amusing.
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You don’t believe we have the answer whether or not life continues when a mammal is killed?

When a cow is slaughtered, is it alive or is it dead?

Does the cow keep living outside of time and space?
 
PRmerger said:
The reality is: atheism declares that God does not exist.
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Yes, just as we declare that unicorns don’t exist. This declaration is made, because there’s no evidence that they exist.

Should evidence present itself that they are living presently, then we would proclaim, ’ unicorns exist’.

Same as God.

Tangible proof were to present itself, I’d of course believe God was real.

Until there is proof, I’ll dismiss God, just as I dismiss unicorns.
 
987mk said:
You don’t believe we have the answer whether or not life continues when a mammal is killed?

When a cow is slaughtered, is it alive or is it dead?

Does the cow keep living outside of time and space?
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Oh, now wait.

It sounds like you’re refuting your own position that you asserted earlier.

Are these not your own words here?
987mk said:
I guess I have no evidence that there is nothing at death. I’d bet my life on it though.
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Which is your position now? You* don’t* have evidence or you *do *have evidence?

I’m very confused right now about what you believe.

(Actually, I think that you are a bit confused, too.)
 
PRmerger said:
True, true.

All human societies must fulfill their need for the Numinous.
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Historically yes. Ancient man created God in order to explain everything around him.

Knowledge is changing that. The more we learn about the nature of the universe, the more we realize that there is no longer a need for a God.
 
987mk said:
Historically yes. Ancient man created God in order to explain everything around him.

Knowledge is changing that. The more we learn about the nature of the universe, the more we realize that there is no longer a need for a God.
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Really?!! Lol.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Don’t worry, you won’t find many (if any) in this thread that make the claim there there is no God.
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PRmerger said:
The reality is: atheism declares that God does not exist.
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987mk said:
Yes, just as we declare that unicorns don’t exist.
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ThinkingSapien???

Do you wish to recant your original position?

Not only have I posted sites which affirm my position: atheism does make a claim that there is no God…

here is one of our very own atheists, here on this thread, asserting that, YES, he declares that God does not exist.

(bold mine)
 
PRmerger said:
Oh, now wait.

It sounds like you’re refuting your own position that you asserted earlier.

Are these not your own words here?

Which is your position now? You* don’t* have evidence or you *do *have evidence?

I’m very confused right now about what you believe.

(Actually, I think that you are a bit confused, too.)
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I’ll answer for you.

We know that when a cow is slaughtered, it is dead. It no longer lives. It’s cells decay quite quickly and if left unattended, it rots.

I’m certain that there is nothing more for that cow, there is no afterlife for the cow.

The game that you’re playing is that we cannot possibly know if that is the end of the cow. Maybe there is a fantastical afterlife for the cow! Maybe that cow lives for eternity.

After all, I have no evidence that the cow is actually dead. Maybe the cow lives outside of time and space for eternity.

No.

The cow is dead, it is no more. If you want to believe the cow lives forever in some unknown, undetectable place, that’s your prerogative.

I am quite certain the cow is dead and the cow will not survive its death.
 
987mk said:
Knowledge is changing that.
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LOL!

Oh, how I find the double standards of atheists amusing. 😃

What is “knowledge is changing that” except a Science of the Gaps paradigm?

😃

You object to Believers professing, “We don’t know why, therefore God”
yet here you are asserting, “We don’t know why, therefore Science”. Science has it going on, man! We don’t understand it right now, but Science will figure it out!

#scienceofthegaps
#doublestandard
#soegregious
#soamusing
 
987mk said:
Tangible proof were to present itself, I’d of course believe God was real.
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Give an example of what that would look like, mk.

And remember, it would have to be able to withstand objections like, “Well, that’s just a hallucination you’re having” and “That could be aliens with more technological knowledge doing that” and “It’s a computer program”.
 
PRmerger said:
ThinkingSapien???

Do you wish to recant your original position?

Not only have I posted sites which affirm my position: atheism does make a claim that there is no God…

here is one of our very own atheists, here on this thread, asserting that, YES, he declares that God does not exist.

(bold mine)
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The God of Abraham most certainly does not exist.

I have no doubt that he is a complete fabrication.
 
987mk said:
I’ll answer for you.

We know that when a cow is slaughtered, it is dead. It no longer lives. It’s cells decay quite quickly and if left unattended, it rots.

I’m certain that there is nothing more for that cow, there is no afterlife for the cow.

The game that you’re playing is that we cannot possibly know if that is the end of the cow. Maybe there is a fantastical afterlife for the cow! Maybe that cow lives for eternity.

After all, I have no evidence that the cow is actually dead. Maybe the cow lives outside of time and space for eternity.

No.

The cow is dead, it is no more. If you want to believe the cow lives forever in some unknown, undetectable place, that’s your prerogative.

I am quite certain the cow is dead and the cow will not survive its death.
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Ah, ok, then.

So can you explain what you meant by this:
987mk said:
I guess I have no evidence that there is nothing at death.
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PRmerger said:
Give an example of what that would look like, mk.

And remember, it would have to be able to withstand objections like, “Well, that’s just a hallucination you’re having” and “That could be aliens with more technological knowledge doing that” and “It’s a computer program”.
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What do you mean by God? What kind of God are we talking about here?
 
987mk said:
What do you mean by God? What kind of God are we talking about here?
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We are talking about the classical definition of God. The God of the Philosophers.

That is, God is the necessary, transcendent, eternal, immaterial, omniscient, omnipotent, infinite creator of the universe.

He is that which no greater can be imagined.
 
987mk said:
The God of Abraham most certainly does not exist.

I have no doubt that he is a complete fabrication.
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Oh come on now, you don’t know that for sure right? Would you say that God is internally self-contradictory and therefore can’t exist? If so, I agree with you. But, what if there were a self-consistent concept of God? Is it possible for a God like that to exist?

Also, it isn’t possible to know with absolute certainty that any object does not exist.
 
PumpkinCookie said:
Oh come on now, you don’t know that for sure right? Would you say that God is internally self-contradictory and therefore can’t exist? If so, I agree with you. But, what if there were a self-consistent concept of God? Is it possible for a God like that to exist?

Also, it isn’t possible to know with absolute certainty that any object does not exist.
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Yep. That would require…omniscience.

 
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