The Anime Thread #1

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shondrea said:
Oh believe me, there are seveal characteres I think should be given the Geass 1-2, but here’s the thing; those are usually just poorly written and badly developed characters.
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Ah but of course, of course. A well-written villain is indeed just that. 😉
I’m not yet on the level to create such villains though. :o I’m pretty traditional when it comes to plot when I make them simply about good guys vs bad guys although my “good guys” are more like anti-heroes who deal with moral dilemmas. :o
 
But of course. Even a truly unlikeable, horrible, monster of a villain can be intersting as long as they have a good motive besides just being…well, evil. A strong backstory can make or break any character, you know.
 
exoflare said:
Which ones are you watching?
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None, but some look interesting, like Sora No Woto (hahahaha, K-On! joins the army), Durara and Hanamaru Kindegarten

Speaking of Naoki Urasawa again, I think that a anime adaptation of 20th Century Boys would be great!!!

God Bless You!!!

:):)🙂
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Well technically, I’ve read a bit of seinen as well. 😛 I can’t remember all of them (they’re not as well-known as the mainstream), but one I certainly loved was Ubel Blatt.

There’s been one title though that I could never find in my bookstores or read online. Ever heard of Ikebukuro West Gate Park? It was originally a drama but they’ve made a manga of it some time ago. How I long to read it… I really like seinen about delinquent street life in urban Tokyo. I’m a junkie for dystopian settings (particularly modern Japanese ones).
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No, I don’t know about that title

I was searching the manga in Spanish forums and I couldn’t find anything, but the episodes of the drama are easy to find, so maybe I’m watching these in the future

Blessings!!!

:):)🙂
 
Argh said:
Sadly, the xiao riben (Japanese) don’t universally have the same social norms as we do (Catholics, that is). That’s life and the world, though.
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They do have some: humble yourself, put others first, don’t disgrace your family.

As for anti-heroes, I have no use for them. I subscribe to the Dean Koontz view of antagonists: evil is not glamourous; evil people are empty.

And he does NOT write boring villains, nor boring heroes.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
They do have some: humble yourself, put others first, don’t disgrace your family.

As for anti-heroes, I have no use for them. I subscribe to the Dean Koontz view of antagonists: evil is not glamourous; evil people are empty.

And he does NOT write boring villains, nor boring heroes.
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You DO realize that a REAL anti-hero, and not just a bad character given that title, is not evil or the antagonist? A REAL anti hero is the protagonist, who at his very core is trying to do good, who wants the right things, but is either tragically flawed or emotinall damaged to where he doesn’t come across as a nice guy. He may feel like a scrooge, standoffish, aloof, isolated, may be brash and harsh, but ulmitately, wants a good end. Or, they will wants the noblest of goals, but have bad means to get there. As Catholics, we know that “the means don’t justify the ends” but someone who doesn’t understand this philosophy isn’t inherintly the devil incarnate.

Byronic hero’s are another good trope like the anti-hero.

In the end, anti-hero’s usualy turn into more traditional hero’s.

Now, it’s true that at times, an anti-hero and an anti-villian can look very similar, especially if morality is the THEME of he show cough Lelouch and Suzaku cough., which is why I’m the kind who watches the enitire thing before passing judgement on the overall morality of a show.

Coure, there are characters like Light Yagami, who…some call nd anti-Hero. I just call psychotic and evil. he may have been an anti-hero to start, but with his God complex and psychosis, it was anti hero done WRONG.
 
Course, just to add, I really don’t like stories that are just “good vs evil”. I find them usually dry and bland. I like stories about people, and very rarely are people so easily pigeon-holed as being “good” or “evil”. Just because someone is the antagonist, does not make them 'evil". It makes them sinful humans.

Unless they’re Total Monsters, or clinical psychopath’s. And even then, they’re still people. Sick, deranged and completely unlikeable people, but people nonetheless.
 
shondrea said:
Course, just to add, I really don’t like stories that are just “good vs evil”. I find them usually dry and bland. I like stories about people, and very rarely are people so easily pigeon-holed as being “good” or “evil”. Just because someone is the antagonist, does not make them 'evil". It makes them sinful humans.
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That’s pretty much the reason why I make protagonists imperfectly human. :
The theme is still there, but I like to blur the lines to reflect reality.

I wonder though… would you consider it cliche if a well-written villain ends becoming good in the end? I mean it’s rather common to see that unless it’s just another thug/pimp/random bandit for the protagonists to beat up then move on, villains end up changing sides and whatnot. :\
 
Exactly. By all means, I don’t want a glamourized villain. I don’t want the author to make the evil acts look less evil, That’s why i think Lelouch is one of the best anti-hero’s ever written in an anime. He has the most pure, noble and moral intentions, but his tactics get progressively more immoral, almost evil. At first, considering the war, it seems like his choices are warranted, and sometimes, they are. But, the audience isn’t made to believe these acts are OK. In fact, he’s told many, MANY times that what he’s doing is wrong. That you can’t use immoral means to reach a good end. That his power is evil. Through the story he starts to SEE how his choices are HURTING people, even as they help others. He nearly looses himself in his power and plans, but in the end, knows the only way to atone for what he’s done is to make all his lies truths, to destroy the very power he use to value, and he gives his very life to right the world again.

Now THAT’S how you do an anti-hero.

As for turning good, it depends. If he turns good through the power of friendship or some bull like that, forget it. That’s too Yu Gi Oh. But I DO think it can be done, and done well.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
That’s pretty much the reason why I make protagonists imperfectly human. :
The theme is still there, but I like to blur the lines to reflect reality.

I wonder though… would you consider it cliche if a well-written villain ends becoming good in the end? I mean it’s rather common to see that unless it’s just another thug/pimp/random bandit for the protagonists to beat up then move on, villains end up changing sides and whatnot. :\
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I don’t consider it cliche, there are some good reasons for a villian to becoming good

Blessings !!!

:):)🙂
 
shondrea said:
You DO realize that a REAL anti-hero, and not just a bad character given that title, is not evil or the antagonist? A REAL anti hero is the protagonist, who at his very core is trying to do good, who wants the right things, but is either tragically flawed or emotinall damaged to where he doesn’t come across as a nice guy. He may feel like a scrooge, standoffish, aloof, isolated, may be brash and harsh, but ulmitately, wants a good end. Or, they will wants the noblest of goals, but have bad means to get there. As Catholics, we know that “the means don’t justify the ends” but someone who doesn’t understand this philosophy isn’t inherintly the devil incarnate.

Byronic hero’s are another good trope like the anti-hero.

In the end, anti-hero’s usualy turn into more traditional hero’s.

Now, it’s true that at times, an anti-hero and an anti-villian can look very similar, especially if morality is the THEME of he show cough Lelouch and Suzaku cough., which is why I’m the kind who watches the enitire thing before passing judgement on the overall morality of a show.

Coure, there are characters like Light Yagami, who…some call nd anti-Hero. I just call psychotic and evil. he may have been an anti-hero to start, but with his God complex and psychosis, it was anti hero done WRONG.
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Don’t like the word. Don’t like the concept.

Words have meaning, and we play fast and loose with meaning at our peril. When we distort meaning, we distort part of God’s creation.

A war of words and meaning is being waged under our very noses, and we enter the battlefield poorly armed.

‘Choice’ is not the same as ‘abortion.’

‘Sinful’ is not the same as ‘tasty.’

‘Decadent’ is not the same as ‘luxurious.’

Yet there are those who want you blur the lines, to believe that the above words mean the same thing. They do not.

An anti-hero is not a reluctant or unlikely hero, such as Bilbo Baggins or Frodo, who discovers his courage and seed of greatness through trial by fire.

An anti-hero is a villain.

Beware those who urge you to let your guard down, to let meaning slip away. The words you use can and will change your very thinking.

PS: Please understand that I am not attacking anyone here. I am, however, attacking those who distort words for their own agenda.
 
I’m…not disrtorting words for my own agenda. I’m merely saying what it is that I believe is an anti-hero.

An anti hero is NOT a villain. Not being a saint does NOT make you evil.

And if I hear one more person of this website reference Lord of the Rings, I think I’m gonna scream XD
 
Ichimaru Gin, Bankai, next *Bleach *chapter.

This is not a spoiler, it’s a public service announcement.
 
shondrea said:
I’m…not disrtorting words for my own agenda. I’m merely saying what it is that I believe is an anti-hero.

An anti hero is NOT a villain. Not being a saint does NOT make you evil.

And if I hear one more person of this website reference Lord of the Rings, I think I’m gonna scream XD
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Then scream away, because LOTR is an excellent example of flawed, reluctant, yet ultimately great heroes

I did not say YOU were distorting words for your own agenda; I stated that those who coined the term ‘anti-hero’ were.

The anti-hero is an invention of the cynical, nihilistic crowd. Knowing some of your posts, I am surprised you support the concept.

I’m sick, it’s late, and I’m crawling back to bed now. Think about the so-called equivalency of the words ‘choice’ and ‘abortion.’ The former masks the ugly reality of the act. This is not by accident.
 
I just…I just haaate Lord of the Rings.

…You’re surprised I think a fiction character is interesting because they have flaws. Wow. Is this where you tell me how immoral and sinful I am for thinking Code Geass is interesting and though provoking? Since you obviously seem to be equating a fictional character type with abortion.
 
I don’t think he meant it in that extreme. Or at least, I hope not, because if so, that’s pretty pious and scrupulous of him. I think he’s trying to say look out for wording.

But it looks like you two have two completely different ideas in your head when you think of the term 'anti-hero" anyway.

I like anti-hero’s. Not because of what they’re doing, but because they tend to be the better written, more layered and well developed characters in the show.
 
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