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No - not a false god. Don’t Christians worship Jesus as God? Jesus is not a false god, nor is God the Father or the Holy Spirit. All truly Christian churches worship the True God.Originally Posted by 1voice
If you take the position that what you believe is what God said … then you would naturally conclude that any other position is a false god.
We are discussing spiritual truth.
God, in the Book of Amos, uses a plumb line to illustrate God’s standard of truth. Amos is shown, by God, that he is about to execute his judgement on Israel because they have consistently refused to line up with the standard that God expected … and Israel has worshipped false gods on the high places and in the sanctuaries …
Your position is that all spiritual truth is contained in the teachings of the Catholic Church. To you, those teachings are the plumb line (the standard by which all spiritual beliefs are measured)
Therefore… any belief or teaching that does not agree with Catholic doctrine/ teaching … is naturally false…
Therefore:
Your default position is that you are clearly right as long as you believe what the Catholic Church believes… and anyone that disagrees must be wrong or confused or deluded or misinformed.
Since … you take the position that what you believe is what God said (through the Catholic Church) …
So then … you would naturally conclude that any other position is a false god (false teaching/ idea)
It all goes back to when Jesus founded a church - His Church. And He made Peter its first Pope. He specifically told Peter “Feed my lambs. Feed my lambs. Feed my sheep” (as my signature shows). He said “You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” And He gave the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter and said that whatever would be bound on earth would be bound in heaven and whatever would be loosed on earth would be loosed in heaven.
THAT gave Jesus’ Church Truth. And the gates of hell have never prevailed against His Church and never will - because Jesus is God and cannot lie, as that would go against His very nature.
He didn’t ascend into Heaven and just leave us. There was no Bible for reference. *Sola scriptura *didn’t exist. The Holy Spirit gave the remaining Apostles such strength that they left the room they were hiding in and began spreading the Word of God (orally) and most were martyred for doing so. Even Peter, who denied Jesus three times - such a wimpy, weak person and so much like us all - became so strong and was crucified himself upside down. All Christians are members of the Church Militant and we are all given the responsibility to profess God’s Truth and to give our lives in martyrdom if necessary.
Jesus is still here with us, of course, but He’s not showing Himself as God-Incarnate. He left us with an authority to help us. Peter did feed Jesus’ sheep - as the Pope. And every Pope since then has done the same along with the rest of the bishops who are traced back through Apostolic Succession.
All spiritual truth is NOT contained within the Catholic Church. If it were, she would be teaching what happens to babies who die before birth or who are born but die before being baptised. What she teaches is that she does not know. One day she may know and then she will teach what happens. The Magisterium doesn’t make things up to fill in the blanks even though it would be so easy to say “Well, of course unborn children and born children who are not baptized go to Heaven!” It makes sense that they would. But she doesn’t know. The Bible doesn’t cover this issue, either. So how do we know what happens? Those who are *sola scriptura *don’t know and those who are Catholic don’t know. But because God left us with an authority (the Church) we may be given that truth someday and then the Church will teach that truth. Not everything is in the Bible and new words and teachings don’t somehow miraculously appear in every copy of the Bible (although God could certainly make that happen). We NEED an authority that continues to try to further understand truth. I asked you about in-vitro fertilization. You haven’t answered yet. I asked that question because the Bible is silent on this issue. It wasn’t even an issue when the Bible was penned and put together. But it’s most certainly an issue now. So what do we do? Is in-vitro fertilization morally licit? Who is to tell us? I haven’t seen God appear as Jack Chick shows Him, a huge being but sans a face, who sits on a throne and makes announcements (usually that a person who has tried his best to live a good life but has been deceived by the Catholic Church’s lies is damned to hell - such a nice God!). God’s authority is the Catholic Church. SHE has announced that in-vitro fertilization is wrong. As she is God’s authority on earth we can be sure that that teaching is true, just as is her teaching on ABC and abortion and using fetal spinal cords for research and divorce and remarriage. She has remained true to God’s Word even though people keep thinking that someday the Church will come around on ABC as long as they keep pressuring her to change her dogma and doctrine. She won’t and she can’t. Dogma and doctrine are truth and cannot change.
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