The Aunt Jemima brand and logo will be retired

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The goalpost hasn’t moved. People have been marching for the same things for decades. The only thing that has changed is that people are slowly coming to realize how pervasive the issues of racial insensitivity and injustice are.
Ok… what about the Christopher Columbus Statues that are now being attacked? Where is the goalpost there? If I had stewardship over a brand that had a logo that was widely seen as uncomfortable, I would strongly consider making some changes, but with C Columbus, we see what happens when they burn through a few legitimate concerns.
 
Are you at all familiar with the practice of addressing black people as “Aunt” or “Uncle”? It is a half step up fro “boy”. (Just take my word for this.)
Maybe in some places, but not universally,

As a little kid I was taught to address lots of people as aunt and uncle who were not actually my aunt or uncle.

In some countries it is even a sign of respect and children are taught to address any adult like that if they don’t know their name.
 
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This thread, Cultural Marxism, Nancy Green, civil rights activist per one article I read will be erased from history. And the left is doing it. The real racism is with those who decimate minority communities in the name of reproductive rights but the truth is, half of the babies of some minorities are aborted, a third of all abortions for 12% of the population. Two centuries of African American cookbooks, history preserved thanks to people like Aunt Jemima. And now, for something 130 years old not from the last few decades, history will be erased. A bit like book burnings. I already saw some African American gentleman on youtube say he will never buy their pancakes and syrup again.

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What’s racism and systemic in society are those supporting planned parenthood and the so-called reproductive rights. Please do not accuse others.
 
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And it cuts both ways. When Communism fell in Poland, everything that was reminiscent of socialism and the USSR was gonepoof! , just like that. And the eagle got his crown back. It all happened pretty fast. Been there, seen that, before and after.
I don’t know about Poland but I’ve been to Hungary quite a lot and am learning the language. I’m actually there right now as I’m writing this.

And whereas it is true that a lot of communist iconography was removed, there is still a lot left. So it is rather innaccurate to suggest it was totally purged. And one of the reasons so much of it is still there is that there are still quite a few people who like communism and remember those days fondly and in the interests of society cohesion, nobody wants to tick them off.
 
So, when you hear the terms, what first pops into your mind. Its not like racism didn’t include slavery.
Actually when I think of slavery I don’t think primarily of American style slavery but i think of the Romans. maybe this is is because I live in Europe. And the Romans didn’t particularly care about skin colour as they had both masters and slaves of different colours.

Slavery is not at its core a racist system but it is at its core an economic system as it provides a cheap workforce and legally locks the relationship between master and slave. I guess that most masters were interested primarily in profit and not in hurting people purely because of the colour of their skin. Maybe racism came in useful in justifying what they did, but this is secondary. I don’t see evidence that it was the primary driving cause. You know, if you are a real white supremacist, if your primary motivation for what you do is that you don’t like black people, you don’t pay money to have large numbers of them brought from Africa. It doesn’t make sense.

So if you want to have a debate on slavery, bringing in racsim is often a bit of a red herring. It would be more fruitful to debate slavery by asking, to what extent is it justified to seek to make a profit by harming others. Slavery is gone, but there are still people today making a lot of money by destroying the lives of others and even outright killing them. Think for example of drugs, pornography, abortion …

When are we going to smash all that?
 
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The Irish chose that depiction of themselves. Not so with Aunt Jemima.

See the difference?
As I have read it, Aunt Jemima received money for her image. Not much difference.
They already did so. Check the Civil War draft riots when Irish folks set fire to a black orphanage, nailed the doors shut and shot at anyone who tried to escape!
The Irish draft riots were about the draft, not about the term “Paddy wagons”. I can see you don’t much care for Irish.
I want to stop seeing all white people being portrayed as criminals in commercials for security equipment.
The media and the “movements” depict all white people as oppressors. Down come the confederate and non-confederate statues. Even Lincoln gets defaced. Columbus gets torn down. Down come Conquistador monuments. Down come missionaries. We’re going to end up with a symbol-free country in which nobody knows, let alone admires, the history of this nation. We’ll just be one big consumer market with no identity.

It’s self-hate on the part of liberals and the stupid self-hate they inculcate in white people, as well as the racial hatred they inspire in non-whites.
I’ve already posted links that showed evidence of black people finding the branding racist.
Yes. Probably ten times as many people believe we’re visited by aliens from space.
 
Are you offended by that practice of presuming sothruns are dumb?
All southerners are used to a lifetime of it, and it’s considered a “Yankee defect”. It’s like that line of Brother Dave Gardner’s “Down in Hot Springs I saw those “stupid, ignorant southerners” selling WATER to those “brilliant Yankees”…and the government owns it!”
 
Yes. Probably ten times as many people believe we’re visited by aliens from space.
Not an intelligent response. You’re saying that white people were the ones pushing it, I showed evidence that the black community didn’t like it for a long time, and you give a nonsensical response.

This is the problem with American politics.
 
Not an intelligent response. You’re saying that white people were the ones pushing it, I showed evidence that the black community didn’t like it for a long time, and you give a nonsensical response.

This is the problem with American politics.
Terribly sorry if I’m not sufficiently intelligent to please you. Your asserted “evidence” was just anecdotal and wasn’t evidence at all. You proved nothing.

There are worse problems with American politics, but I don’t want to get flagged.
 
And whereas it is true that a lot of communist iconography was removed, there is still a lot left. So it is rather innaccurate to suggest it was totally purged. And one of the reasons so much of it is still there is that there are still quite a few people who like communism and remember those days fondly and in the interests of society cohesion, nobody wants to tick them off.
Well, Poland is different. Unless it would be some older people who miss certain aspects of security — basic foodstuffs available at nominal prices (and sometimes not even that) — nobody misses communism. Not one smidgen. It is the most rabidly capitalist societies imaginable. Every last vestige of socialism is gone.
 
What’s racism and systemic in society are those supporting planned parenthood and the so-called reproductive rights. Please do not accuse others.
From pancakes to book burning to abortion? Just because some company admitted it could not clean up a negative stereotype of longstanding? You realize they had been cleaning it up for years, right?

And its those nasty leftists again?
 
As I have read it, Aunt Jemima received money for her image. Not much difference.
Big difference. I’ve seen a lot of black women’s cookbooks and not one of them had their hair in a kerchief. They control their image. Nancy Green did not.
They already did so. Check the Civil War draft riots when Irish folks set fire to a black orphanage, nailed the doors shut and shot at anyone who tried to escape!
The Irish draft riots were about the draft, not about the term “Paddy wagons”. I can see you don’t much care for Irish.
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You don’t see very clearly. The Irish had draft riots as to what they considered discrimination against them. Please don’t tell me that I have any bad feelings about any group – I decry incidents not ethnicities. For all you know, I am Irish.

It’s self-hate on the part of liberals and the stupid self-hate they inculcate in white people, as well as the racial hatred they inspire in non-whites.
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I think its some historical accuracy and catharsis.
I’ve already posted links that showed evidence of black people finding the branding racist.
Yes. Probably ten times as many people believe we’re visited by aliens from space.
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Do you doubt that black people find the old stereotypes of them happy in servile roles to be racist? Look at it this way: Parks Sausages is a black food company which makes breakfast food based on a black woman’s recipe. However, you didn’t see any mammy figure on the label, that’s for sure!

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I never said they did. But neither do I think Aunt Jemima looks any more servile than Mrs. Tucker, or that the cream of wheat black guy looks any more servile than Chef Boyardee. Nor do I think there is anything demeaning about presenting someone as a cook or a chef if they’re advertising a food item.
 
I never said they did. But neither do I think Aunt Jemima looks any more servile than Mrs. Tucker, or that the cream of wheat black guy looks any more servile than Chef Boyardee. Nor do I think there is anything demeaning about presenting someone as a cook or a chef if they’re advertising a food item.
Look, its time we let minorities choose their own images. Simple as that. Anything else is paternalistic.
 
It’s like use of the “N” word. Depends on the evident intent of the speaker. Black people use it all the time, but they don’t like seeing white people say it because they assume white people always intend it in a demeaning way. That’s pretty much true now, but wasn’t always.

If you’ll notice, my moniker on here is a regional slur in the minds of some, but not in others.
 
It’s like use of the “N” word. Depends on the evident intent of the speaker. Black people use it all the time, but they don’t like seeing white people say it because they assume white people always intend it in a demeaning way. That’s pretty much true now, but wasn’t always.
You ever hear two big women call each other fat? Come on, the discussion of the ‘N’ word was done with more than 10 years ago. Let’s move on.
 
Look, its time we let minorities choose their own images. Simple as that. Anything else is paternalistic.
Ah. So nobody can portray a black person unless that portrayal is approved in advance by one or more black people. That probably is how it will turn out, which will result in no black images used in advertising until the next complaint that “no black faces are seen in advertising”.
 
You can’t be serious. Black people use the word all the time. You don’t remember Jesse Jackson applying that term to Obama?
 
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