The Book Which is Most being read:Qur'an

[JimmyDFG]

The case of Qur’an was different. All verses of Qur’an were writen under authority of prophet. Later verses were compiled. But the text of verse was written under authority of prophet never changed.

Who wrote the quran if it wasn’t muhammad?
Did muhammad check the authenticity of the quran?
Muhammad couldn’t read or write so it couldn’t of been him. But we do know Gabriel appears before muhammad and commands him to recite the first lines of chapter 96 of the Quran.
So this would mean the quran was already in existences.

If the quran was from allah why wouldn’t Gabriel give the quran to muhammad with the ability to read?

 

[JimmyDFG]

One of the miraculous attribute of Qur’an is the literature of Qur’an. Qur’an challenge for about 1400 years to bring something like Qur’an but yet nobody could do and nobody will be able for ever! Here:

88-Say, “If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants.” Al-Isra(17)

13-Or do they say, “He invented it”? Say, “Then bring ten sūrahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.” Hud(11)

38-Or do they say [about the Prophet], “He invented it?” Say, “Then bring forth a sūrah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.” Yunus(10)

23-And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a sūrah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful.

24-But if you do not – and you will never be able to – then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers. Al-Baqarah(2)

And if it has been possible so Pagans had very clever poets and man of letters but they could not bring something like Qur’an. It would be very easy if they could bring as literary parallel of Qur’an to refute Qur’an totaly. But it was impossible in that way so they decided the most difficult way to destroy Qur’an and it was the way of war. Yet they could not do that also in that way.

There are many miraculous parts of literature of Qur’an.

Why does the quran have to give response on what to say when questioned for its defense?

 

[abucs]

The exact word of revelation which was taught to Jesus by Father. Gospels are writings of writers who had written the part of revelation which they could remember later by narrative way.

As far as i am aware Muhammad never claimed what you say.

 

[hasantas]

Why does the quran have to give response on what to say when questioned for its defense?

Qur’an establish faith very certainly so to prove that Qur’an is from God is the first step. Muhammad demonstrated that He was messenger of God through miracles and His life. One of the most high miracle of Muhammad is the Qur’an. People ask evidence for such very importand issue.

 

[hasantas]

Who wrote the quran if it wasn’t muhammad?
Did muhammad check the authenticity of the quran?
Muhammad couldn’t read or write so it couldn’t of been him. But we do know Gabriel appears before muhammad and commands him to recite the first lines of chapter 96 of the Quran.
So this would mean the quran was already in existences.

If the quran was from allah why wouldn’t Gabriel give the quran to muhammad with the ability to read?

Before revelation Muhammad could not read or write. Muhammad had not got any education from any one. If Muhammad been educated by any one so that person would say that" I taught those knowledges to Muhammad so Muhammad do not get revelation from God etc.". But nobody claimed such thing and everybody were used to know that Muhammad could not read or write. Most of people upon that times were uneducated. Muhmmad in Qur’an give many knowledges from Both Jews and Christians and also judge and solve some problem even scholars of Jews and Christians could not do! So if Muhammad had learnt some knowledges from any Jews or Christians hence they would inform and refute Islam. But nobody did! That situation of Muhammad demonstrate that Muhammad was been taught by God. There is no any other explaining of that.

Muhammad was able to read anymore after revelation came. There were the writers of revelation. Muhammad read verses from memorise and writers were used to write. And writers repeat what they wrote to correct by prophet.

Qur’an give some examples which interest the time prophet was in. Qur’an warn people for some cases during life of Muhammad etc. Those demonstrate that Qur’an was not a pre-fixed book.

 

[DCNBILL]

One of the miraculous attribute of Qur’an is the literature of Qur’an. Qur’an challenge for about 1400 years to bring something like Qur’an but yet nobody could do and nobody will be able for ever! Here:

88-Say,** “If mankind and the jinn **gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants.” Al-Isra(17)

13-Or do they say, “He invented it”? Say, “Then bring ten sūrahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.” Hud(11)

38-Or do they say [about the Prophet], “He invented it?” Say, “Then bring forth a sūrah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.” Yunus(10)

23-And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a sūrah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful.

24-But if you do not – and you will never be able to – then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers. Al-Baqarah(2)

And if it has been possible so Pagans had very clever poets and man of letters but they could not bring something like Qur’an. It would be very easy if they could bring as literary parallel of Qur’an to refute Qur’an totaly. But it was impossible in that way so they decided the most difficult way to destroy Qur’an and it was the way of war. Yet they could not do that also in that way.

There are many miraculous parts of literature of Qur’an.

Who are the jinn?

 

[eddie_too]

how could any person on earth know what book is most being read?

i suppose you could figure out which book is most being published and which book is most being purchased, but how can you say you know which book is most being read?

there is no way for an individual to know if a person who purchases a book ever reads it.

 

[Catholic_farmer]

With all due respect, it does not impress that children are forced to read your book. Forcing someone to do something is not at all impressive.

A Christian reading the bible daily, of his or her own free will, is much more impressive to me.

To Christians, God is not out to get us. He does not seek to punish us, nor is it the responsibility of other human beings to hand out severe punishments for minor offenses against God. He is a loving Father that we run to. We kneel and ask for forgiveness, which He always grants us, as well as the grace to try harder.

When I see a Christian trying hard to follow God’s Commandments, not out of fear of punishment from God or man, but because they want to do God’s will. Now that is impressive to me.

God bless.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Before revelation Muhammad could not read or write. Muhammad had not got any education from any one. If Muhammad been educated by any one so that person would say that" I taught those knowledges to Muhammad so Muhammad do not get revelation from God etc.". But nobody claimed such thing and everybody were used to know that Muhammad could not read or write. Most of people upon that times were uneducated. Muhmmad in Qur’an give many knowledges from Both Jews and Christians and also judge and solve some problem even scholars of Jews and Christians could not do! So if Muhammad had learnt some knowledges from any Jews or Christians hence they would inform and refute Islam. But nobody did! That situation of Muhammad demonstrate that Muhammad was been taught by God. There is no any other explaining of that.

Muhammad was able to read anymore after revelation came. There were the writers of revelation. Muhammad read verses from memorise and writers were used to write. And writers repeat what they wrote to correct by prophet.

Qur’an give some examples which interest the time prophet was in. Qur’an warn people for some cases during life of Muhammad etc. Those demonstrate that Qur’an was not a pre-fixed book.

The quran promotes its own modified view of Christianity and Jesus’ life. The quran expands on Mary’s life, introduces new tales of Jesus’ early life, and goes to great lengths to deemphasize Jesus only as a prophet, proclaiming he was simply another “Messenger” (like muhammad). In fact, islam teaches its followers that Jesus’ crucifixion did not occur.
According to the quran, allah revealed new details of Old Testament stories to muhammad. In particular, events surrounding Adam and Eve, Abraham, Lot, Joseph, Jacob, Noah, and numerous other minor Old Testament characters are revised. Most Old Testament stories related in the quran are similar to the Christian (and Jewish) versions but with additional, surprising details “revealed by God” to muhammad.

In my view muhammad had to of known about Christian and Jewish faith enough to change it

 

[MartinJordan]

The quran promotes its own modified view of Christianity and Jesus’ life. The quran expands on Mary’s life, introduces new tales of Jesus’ early life, and goes to great lengths to deemphasize Jesus only as a prophet, proclaiming he was simply another “Messenger” (like muhammad). In fact, islam teaches its followers that Jesus’ crucifixion did not occur.
According to the quran, allah revealed new details of Old Testament stories to muhammad. In particular, events surrounding Adam and Eve, Abraham, Lot, Joseph, Jacob, Noah, and numerous other minor Old Testament characters are revised. Most Old Testament stories related in the quran are similar to the Christian (and Jewish) versions but with additional, surprising details “revealed by God” to muhammad.

In my view muhammad had to of known about Christian and Jewish faith enough to change it

Doesn’t the Qur’an in its own way acknowledge there was a crucifixion though?

MJ

 

[JimmyDFG]

Doesn’t the Qur’an in its own way acknowledge there was a crucifixion though?

MJ

Good catch Martin, I should have looked over my closely what I wrote.
It would seem Jesus’ Crucifixion did not occur but rather was a cunning deception. As stated in 4:157 of the quran

 

[MartinJordan]

Good catch Martin, I should have looked over my closely what I wrote.
It would seem Jesus’ Crucifixion did not occur but rather was a cunning deception. As stated in 4:157 of the quran

No problem.

This and also that (according to a ex-Muslim Imam) Jesus is the Word of God, makes the Quran probably an intriguing interesting read. That said, in my experience there are some Muslims who say that only the Arabic Quran is that one to read.

MJ

 

[hasantas]

Who are the jinn?

Spirits and some kinds are called evil spirits or devils.

 

[hasantas]

hasantas, Its only unreliable to those who deny the truth

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you,and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Acts 2:1-4

1 When the time for Pentecost was fulfilled, they were all in one place together.
2 And suddenly there came from the sky a noise like a strong driving wind,and it filled the entire house in which they were.
3 Then there appeared to them tongues as of fire, which parted and came to rest on each one of them.
4 And they were all filled with the holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues,as the Spirit enabled them to proclaim

Peter’s Speech at Pentecost.

16 No, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:

17 ‘It will come to pass in the last days,’ God says,
‘that I will pour out a portion of my spirit upon all flesh.
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.

18 Indeed, upon my servants and my handmaids
I will pour out a portion of my spirit in those days,
and they shall prophesy.

While those on whom the Spirit had descended were speaking in many languages, the Apostle Peter stood up with the eleven and proclaimed to the crowd that this event was the fulfillment of the prophecy (“I will pour out a portion of my spirit upon all flesh”). In Acts 2:17,
Peter stated that this event was the beginning of a continual outpouring that would be available to all believers from that point on, Jews and Gentiles alike.

It is reliable hasantas

Holy Spirit was used to come to bring a new revelation. After Jesus there is no a new religion or revelation. Apostles may saw some visions but these visions are not a new revelation. Those could be divine influences which is very possible for moraly high people to get. Apostles were moraly high. I think the word spirit is used for divine influences yet I am not sure. Perhaps you can investigate. After Jesus there is one certain thing that Holy Spirit only came to prophet Muhammad.

 

[hasantas]

As far as i am aware Muhammad never claimed what you say.

Yes you may be right.But that does not change the case. The Gospels are in our hand and these books are not same att all and they are not direct words from Jesus.

 

[LethalMouse]

Muhammad could not read or write.

This is the one that always gets me. We know Muhammad was given a miraculous ability to write “the greatest book”.

Why was it a miracle and how do we know?

Well because we know by the book he wrote, that he was not able to write…
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Note this post, I can not write, but it is a miracle becsue I am writing it… errrr sound legit?

 

[Catholic_farmer]

The Holy Spirit coming back after Jesus already established a Church is absurd to Christians. Our New Testament states clearly that there will be no new prophets. It also warns us of people coming claiming to be prophets after Jesus. That’s why we cannot agree with Muslims about Jesus. To us, He is the Son of God and we cannot accept anyone’s claim to establish a new religion, whether it’s your Muhammad 600 years later or Joseph Smith 1800 years later. We cannot accept a Muslim prophet, nor can we accept a Mormon prophet. Or a Jehovah’s Witness prophet. All of these go against what we were told in our New Testament.

Matthew 24:24-26 (which also goes on to describe the End Times)

"If anyone says to you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect.
Behold, I have told it to you beforehand.
So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.*

So, while there is much that we cannot agree on, we can certainly live peacefully. We live side-by-side with Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Muslims, and others who claim a prophet after Jesus. Just don’t be frustrated when you come here with absolute statements that are soundly rejected by Christians.

 

[LethalMouse]

One of the miraculous attribute of Qur’an is the literature of Qur’an. Qur’an challenge for about 1400 years to bring something like Qur’an but yet nobody could do and nobody will be able for ever! Here:

88-Say, “If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants.” Al-Isra(17)

13-Or do they say, “He invented it”? Say, “Then bring ten sūrahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah, if you should be truthful.” Hud(11)

And if it has been possible so Pagans had very clever poets and man of letters but they could not bring something like Qur’an. It would be very easy if they could bring as literary parallel of Qur’an to refute Qur’an totaly. But it was impossible in that way so they decided the most difficult way to destroy Qur’an and it was the way of war. Yet they could not do that also in that way.

This again is insane defense. Even if I produced a perfect example, a muslim can just say “Nuh Uh that is not like the Qur’an”

And it has been said of Pagan writings as being better than the quran in the eyes of many… so there is that.

And most importantly, I have never chased down a Pagan and wrote a book to disprove them, nor do I have any motivation to chase down a muslim and write a book because his book tells me I have to write a book…

That is just insane, no one would care to write a book because a book tells them to write a book to disprove a book and have their book “judged” by hardcore believers of the first book…

This idea is so insane.

In fact I challenge YOU to write something better than my post! Only then can you prove to me I am in error.

(Hint: no matter what you write, I am going to say it is not better)

 

[Scottgun]

Since when is “Everybody’s doing it!” a sound argument?

 

[LethalMouse]

Since when is “Everybody’s doing it!” a sound argument?

When they agree with the person making the arguement lol.