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I’ll repeat my earlier criticism: This is a matter of taste, which is subjective and not a standard with which to measure truth. I do not evaluate the Qu’ran from very far away, as you well know. I quoted it directly. I have tried reading it, but I stopped because it is so poorly written. It’s really, really bad. If this was really revelead by Allah, I would expect much better quality.
I point again to the Greeks and the Romans. Their literature is in my humble opinion far superior to the Qu’ran. Socrates says in the “Phaedrus” that every discourse has a “head, body and feet”. Aristotle emphasized the balance between logos (logic, reason, proof), pathos (emotions/values) and ethos (credibility). This structure of introduction (head) - body (body) - conclusion (feet) is still followed today, more than two millenia later! Why? Because it works so incredibly well!
What is the structure of the Qu’ran? Roughly it’s longest chapters in the beginning and shortest chapters at the back. So even at a cursory glance it seems that Allah has a worse grasp of rhetorics than the Romans and Greeks centuries before the Qu’ran was supposedly revealed. I expect Allah to perform better than the Greeks, not worse.
Well, if the Bible is the word of God too, why bother with the Qu’ran? I heard muslims claim that the Qu’ran is the last and final revelation of the Abrahamic faith. That was - according to them - the reason that one should follow Islam and not Christianity. It appears I have misunderstood them. Thank you for clearing that up.
Secular humanists do indeed evaluate everything for the benefit of humankind. Only if God exists and if we can know His mind should we take His will into account. So I see no problem in that, although some humanists I’ve met say that we should also take animal rights into account. I’m not sure about that though.
I doubt I’m able to see that. PEW forum has polled in islamic countries and the results are shocking. Here’s the link, because I’m not going to quote the whole study: pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
I just gave you three examples. I told you about embryology, human origins and mountains.
Secondly, the reason that people follow islam are very varied. They are ignorant of the facts, ignore the facts on purpose; they’re afraid of being killed by their families or the state if anyone finds out, or because islam gives some psychological comfort. Take your pick.
And my point was that the Qu’ran is not divine revelation if atoms are being discussed a millenium before it’s supposedly ‘revealed.’ I expect more from God’s word than simply restate what’s already been said for a thousand years.
As far as the universe is concerned, please provide a concrete example. So far, all I’ve seen are assertions.
I’ve heard this argument from muslims before. And always when I check their apologetics with the verses in the Qu’ran, the verses are incredibly vague and could be interpreted in various ways. Also, the context often shows that the author isn’t talking about science but is using metaphors. And again, you did not give me an example. You assert a lot, yet provide very little evidence.
Secondly, what if God informed about electromagnetic radation? Well, we would probably be lightyears (pun intended) ahead. Which I would regard as a good thing. I’m not sure what your argument is here.
That is simply not what the Qu’ran says. The Qu’ran talks only about mountains moving as clouds on judgement day. I have read this.
More assertions without evidence. Depending on the rock type, mountains can either decrease or increase the impact of earthquakes. Dense rock transmits seismic waves better than less dense and weaker rock. With regard to the mountains working as pegs, the opposite of what the Qu’ran claims is true. The weight of the mountain can increase pressure on the faultline, causing heavier earthquakes.
