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[Annie]

What you are saying here does not sound Catholic but Protestant. Remember that James said in James 2:14 on.

We also learn that salvation is coming through faith and not through works. A personal relation with Jesus, when you invite Him to live in your heart, might be much stronger than blindly following any teaching of obscure, Ancient human origin.

Regarding the part which I bolded, Christ entrusted His teachings to the Church, and they are good teachings of supernatural revelation, not human teachings. Where are you getting this idea that Church teaching is of ancient human origen?

 

[tafan2]

Bruillard, whom I referred to earlier spilled out some surprising blurbs. He said he assumed he did some good to the kids whom he abused. This means, as a servant of God, he served the goodness of God by abusing kids. Awful claim from a priest!

Yes it is. Howver, it doesn’t show that priests think of themselves as guardians of sexual lives of others.

This is coming top-down. The secret teachings are in higher echelons. They guard secrecy very tightly. They won’t tell you or make you figure out.

But yet you know all about these secret teachings of the Catholic Church? Is that one of the advantages of the Neo Catechumen Way, that Kiko imparts on you the secret teachings previously reserved for clergy?

 

[curious_cath]

But yet you know all about these secret teachings of the Catholic Church?

Let me repeat: After much contemplation, apart from my community, I came to this conclusion as the only possible explanation to save my faith. If you wanna keep sanity, you have not left much choice. There is an oppressive silence, an evil void that eats up your faith like a Pacman who went awry in his sheer madness! I am at the end of the rope, because everything became fluid, ambiguous, unsettled and unreliable. There is no more trust or fix point in the whole universe of the church.

 

[curious_cath]

By ordination one is enabled to act as a representative of Christ, Head of the Church, in his triple office of priest, prophet, and king.

Who is representing Christ? Those who think their hands are the hands of God? Those, who are above moral as dispensers of a “higher” morality? Come on, this is so un-Catholic!

I see the Church as the Body of Christ to which He entrusted Truth, and the great holiness of those who follow Church teaching.

As long as the church is capable to hold the teaching of Jesus, its origin is Him.

 

[MikeInVA]

I wouldn’t use the words of a priest who has failed to live up to his vows as representative of the teachings of the Church.

 

[I_trust]

By ordination one is enabled to act as a representative of Christ, Head of the Church, in his triple office of priest, prophet, and king.

You said:
Who is representing Christ? Those who think their hands are the hands of God? Those, who are above moral as dispensers of a “higher” morality? Come on, this is so un-Catholic

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You quoted and disagreed with my post.
The problem is I was quoting the Catechism of the Catholic church. So you disagree with Church teaching.

You are also wrong in your posting about what the Church teaches about how we are saved…

The Church teaches we are saved by grace made manifest through faith and works. To say we are saved through faith alone and not works is the Protestant view.

Your insistence on some secret knowledge by the upper hierarchy is frankly gnosticism and is rejected by the Church.

You have your beliefs, but they conflict with Church teaching.

 

[curious_cath]

To say we are saved through faith alone and not works is the Protestant view.

It is the Pauline view. St. James makes important addition but the church’s teaching is fundamentally Pauline.

Your insistence on some secret knowledge by the upper hierarchy is frankly gnosticism

I have made the claim several times the the upper echelon of the church is contaminated by Gnostic residues.

So you disagree with Church teaching.

I disagree with an empowerment of the clergy, priests, bishop, cardinals to live out their Ancient impulses of religious power abuse. I disagree with those who abuse their clerical power while they keep referring to “church teaching” that gives them special power to do so over the faithful. I disagree with their use of church function to cover up a view of themselves as in a special relation with the transcendent that allows them to do what is not allowed to other people.

 

[I_trust]

To say we are saved through faith alone and not works is the Protestant view.

The Catholic Church does not pit James against Paul. The Church has outright rejected the idea that we are saved by faith alone (inserted into the text of the Bible by Martin Luther).

If you want I can quote official Curch documents. I have no problem with you believing in faith alone, but it is not what the Catholic Church teaches.

Here is a link to an explanation of the what Catholics believe Paul means when he talks about works of the Old testament law. Provided by Catolic Answers.

Aren't We Saved by Faith Alone? | Catholic Answers Magazine

 

[curious_cath]

it is not what the Catholic Church teaches.

As I said, the church is fundamentally Pauline. St. James is important and should never be seen as an antagonist to St. Paul. Faith and works go hand-in-hand, we don’t need to go into the subtleties of theological thoughts to see that. If you identify those who might not agree with you with Protestantism, then so be it. It is your choice, I have no business in that. The guardian of the church’s teaching is our Lord in heaven.

 

[bullish1]

Would you mind moving your discussion to an apologetics thread because you have one again hijacked a topic and taken it to a completely different place.