The Catholic church did not give us the Bible

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Now here’s another little thought for you.

We have a group rof Christians. We’ll call it the Trek Church. The Trek Church is responsible to the great god Kirk.

Kirk gave the Trekkers the Spockian inspiration to assemble the great Manual of the Galaxy from all the various script pages and fan letters etc. that all existed in and among pages of the Great Manual. The Spockian inspiration led the Trekkers to assemble the Great Manual and to set aside the fan letters etc.

Later, some rebelled from the Great Trek and became Romulans and they pulled out pages from the manual.

So. . .who is responsible for the Great Manual being assembled?
Actually that is not quite parallel. What is parallel would be Later some did not obey some of the other orders of the great god Kirk but remained members of the Trek church and did not team up with the Romulans.

So then, if the Trekkians want to take credit for producing the great Manual, they should take blame for what the other members did who did not obey all the orders of the great Trek church.

Somehow, I think it would be more appropriate for the Trekkians to give credit to the great God Kirk but that is just me. Or they can be gracious and honor the individual members of the Trek church who were responsible for this noteworthy accomplishment. Somehow to me that seems more fitting.
 
Right. After all, just because there are false examples of something doesn’t mean that there can’t be a true one.

Zeus was called the Supreme Being and all Father. He wasn’t. . .but God is. We don’t say, "Ah, but because Zeus was falsely called all-Father we cannot possibly refer to GOD as ‘all Father’.

Likewise, a false goddess could be called queen of heaven, but that doesn’t mean that there could never be a TRUE queen simply because somebody had been falsely addressed as queen of heaven, right?
I agree. As for me personally I have 0% trust for this entity calling herself the Queen of Heaven. I mean where is this belief coming from and how is it being propagated? This Queen of Heaven you speak of IS appearing all over the world to people of all nations. People are being healed and she refers to Jesus and God and all but what she is asking people to do is unacceptable. Have you ever read a consecration prayer to this entity?

*O Mary, Virgin most powerful and Mother of mercy, Queen of Heaven and Refuge of sinners, we consecrate ourselves to thine Immaculate Heart.

We consecrate to thee our very being and our whole life; all that we have, all that we love, all that we are. To thee we give our bodies, our hearts and our souls; to thee we give our homes, our families, our country.
We desire that all that is in us and around us may belong to thee, and may share in the benefits of thy motherly benediction. And that this act of consecration may be truly efficacious and lasting, we renew this day at thy feet the promises of our Baptism and our first Holy Communion.
We pledge ourselves to profess courageously and at all times the truths of our holy Faith, and to live as befits Catholics who are duly submissive to all the directions of the Pope and the Bishops in communion with him.
We pledge ourselves to keep the commandments of God and His Church, in particular to keep holy the Lord’s Day.
We likewise pledge ourselves to make the consoling practices of the Christian religion, and above all, Holy Communion, an integral part of our lives, in so far as we shall be able so to do.
Finally, we promise thee, O glorious Mother of God and loving Mother of men, to devote ourselves whole-heartedly to the service of thy blessed cult, in order to hasten and assure, through the sovereignty of thine Immaculate Heart, the coming of the kingdom of the Sacred Heart of thine adorable Son, in our own hearts and in those of all men, in our country and in all the world, as in heaven. so on earth. Amen. *
ewtn.com/Devotionals/prayers/Consecration_mary.htm

Is that what Jesus taught us in his ministry?
If you are comfortable asking an entity other than the spirit of our Living God to occupy you, then that’s your personal choice. But I will say this. You’d better hope that you are right in the end!
I was not immune to this either. I served this entity. So I’ve been there. Am I better than you? Not at all!
 
Who says that is what I believe. And how is it relevant.

So if some Catholic priests committed these heinous crimes and some bishops covered them up, then some Catholic clerics gave us the Bible. And the Catholic Church (the pillar and ground of truth as I am told) is not responsible for either/

That is the way that I see it myself. But if you want it the other way, I am good with that also.
It is relevent . . . .

. . . if you believe that “faith alone” guarantees your salvation.

OR
. . . if you do not believe that “faith alone” guarantees your salvation.

As you see it, which is it?
 
OK…if the RCC compiled it, then the RCC did the sex abuse scandals.

Now I really think that men in the Catholic church compiled it.

My deal?

I have observed an inconsistency. When it comes to the positive in the history of the Church like the Bible, the Church takes credit for it. When it comes to the negative in the history of the Church, it is men and the Church has no part of it.

Now I think the better answer in both cases is that men in the Catholic church are responsible for both the positive and negative, but I can live with the other too.
It seems you are comfortable living with quite a few contradictions.
 
It is relevent . . . .

. . . if you believe that “faith alone” guarantees your salvation.

OR
. . . if you do not believe that “faith alone” guarantees your salvation.

As you see it, which is it?
I must be really a nitwit, because I totally do not understand what bearing my belief on “faith alone” has on this.

And I am not sure whether I can explain my beliefs in one sentence anyway.
 
FY what does post 82 have to do with the thread and whether or not God gave us the Bible through His Church?

God bless
I answered a question about the faith of Isian and was commented on so I just gave that person my stance. Sorry I will open another thread.

God Bless you too!
 
You need to answer either yes or no. You have no argument without it.
Why.

All I have done is pointed out an inconsistency.

But for the record I believe the church is primarily but not solely individuals. I am not sure I can explain it more all that well.

Now in this thread there were some modest attempt at explanations that I am sure make perfect sense to y’all but do not make sense to me. And because they make sense to y’all, this thread will die with you declaring victory to yourselves and the next “Sola Scriptura is Biblical” thread will be the object of your interests.

But most fascinating was the name calling I received in this thread. Many of you members of THE ONE TRUE CHURCH are to certainly to be commended for your outstanding examples of Christian charity:
What a piece of work. You sure did choose your username well.
You make zero sense and you know it,
yet you just want to troll and (successfully) get a rise out of people for who knows what reason?
I don’t think you even care about those that were abused:
And the grand prize winner
I’ll keep you in my prayers, you have a lot of demons.
 
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NotTooSmart:
All I have done is pointed out an inconsistency.
I may have missed it but I don’t think you ever responded to my question:
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Roman_Catholic:
So if you own the negative must you own the positive? If you believe the Church “gave us” the sex abuse scandal and yet deny that God gave us the Bible through the Church are you not being as inconsistent as you think Catholics are in this?
God bless you
 
I may have missed it but I don’t think you ever responded to my question:
I might have missed it. There has been such a deluge of interesting responses that I could not reply to them all and am sure I missed some.

If you repeat. Oh I see it. Will get to it.
 
Why.
All I have done is pointed out an inconsistency.
Because you think you are pointing out an inconsistency about a Church which you ‘dunno’ what it is. Either the Catholic Church is a group of Bishops in communion with the Bishop of Rome with a teaching authority or it is just a bunch of individuals who can believe and do whatever they wish.
But for the record I believe the church is primarily but not solely individuals.
You are wrong.
 
I might have missed it. There has been such a deluge of interesting responses that I could not reply to them all and am sure I missed some.

If you repeat.
I repeated it in post #94.

God bless you
 
So if you own the negative must you own the positive? If you believe the Church “gave us” the sex abuse scandal and yet deny that God gave us the Bible through the Church are you not being as inconsistent as you think Catholics are in this?
Yup. You would be. That is not my position though.

For the record I am most comfortable with both cases being owned by the individual and not the church. However, I am not dogmatic in this, so if you want to believe differently fine.
 
Yup. You would be. That is not my position though.

For the record I am most comfortable with both cases being owned by the individual and not the church. However, I am not dogmatic in this, so if you want to believe differently fine.
So then, in your position, what is it that the Church does? Or is everything completely individualistic? The good, the bad, and the indifferent?

God bless
 
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