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Realcatholicgk
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**Hi Christian,
I spent about 45 minutes answering this post yesterday when the “Thread” disappeared! I think the Mod Rachel Malloy may have dropped it down for review.
Your question can’t be answered by man, my friend! It is God’s decision who will or will not join Him for eternity. However, I can tell you that “if” you believe in the Bible and what it teaches you can be assured of being saved.
But, you must understand that some of what you are being taught isn’t what Jesus wanted taught to His followers! The scriptures were not written for “your” denomination. It was written by the first christians from the sacred tradition that Jesus handed down to the catholic church. The scriptures coupled with our sacred oral Tradition comprises all that God requires us to know to obtain our salvation. In 1517AD the devil saw an opportunity to attempt to destroy the real church. However, the Church held firm to the real teachings, unfortunally, many good and faithful people went away from the truth, wandering into false religions. These 33,000 denominations and their 28,000 sub denominations with their 1,375 different and opposing beliefs agree with the RCC on some things and they disagree with the RCC on others. They mostly disagree even with themselves except on one very important point. They all, 100% , teach that the RCC is wrong! Now Christian, who would be able to convince 61,000 separate and different religions of this? The Catholic church believes it it the devil, attempting to damn good, honest, God fearing,God loving people to eternal damnation because they do not see or believe the truth as being taught “only” by Jesus’ true church.
I realize that these words seem arrogant and judgemental. That is farest from what I am attempting to say. In the Bible, they didn’t believe Jesus! They had Him put to death for speaking only the truth! He wasn’t arrogant, He spoke the truth.
I know that every denomination thinks their way is the 'true" way. But they are 1,500 years too late. Jesus, Himself warned against false prophets and teachers. Do Protestants listen? Nope! And if they do, they twist what Jesus said about false prophets trying to say the Catholic church is wrong! Now these were “our” writtings. We haven’t changed the meaning of one verse in 2,000 years.
There are now 100 “different” versions of the “Bible” The SDA just completed 3 versions for their own use! Why? Why are the words being changed? To mislead the people who attempot to follow the bible? Sola Scriptura is a joke! It can’t be true even if some people foolishly think it is or could be! The Bible didn’t drop down from heaven! It is a collection of stories, poems, songs, tales, history and truths revealed by God throught these many authors over 5,000 years!
In 1604 King James I of England, saw an opportunity to bring about a unity with the church service in Presbyterian Scotland and Episcopal England. It was completed and published in 1611. There have been many “revisions” in 1615, 1629, 1638, and 1762 when 3,600 “corrections” were made to the Catholic church’s Bible! This is your KJV. A twisted distorted, corrupted collection of verses altered to suit the desires of the rewriters! I have over a dozen bibles. A NASB, JKV, ESV, NKJV, NAS and NIV. I have the Book of Morman , the Qur’an (Koran) and many religious books explaining the bible. However, I obtain my “beliefs and learning” at Mass when the priest explains what is being taught in the books that Jesus wanted us to have explained to us!
I know that was a very long answer to a very short question!
You asked:
The correct answer may be YES!, and so will Animistics, Catholics, Buddhist, Islamics, Jews, Hindus and others.
It is also possible for them all to go to Heaven. God decides! No one else has that authority. So the next time, you hear a Protestant preacher say “so and so is going to hell!” you know he is lying!God ways are not our ways, however He reveals His ways through the Catholic church and its teachings! If I ever say it I always say “if they don’t change” because Jesus tells us what must be done to be saved! He is God, he tells us.
God Bless**
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SIA
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Oh really? So then the Catholic church is the plumb and the level now? I thought that Paul specifically called Scripture that.
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emarc
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Proud member of a “Counterfeit” Religion!Why do Catholics judge me?
Who gives them the right to judge?
I run into Catholics all the time who tell me I am going to hell, or that I am not a “whole” or “pure” Christian.
Now, what’s up with that?
hi christian knight- i have not read the rest of thread and am not sure if someone already commented on your post. i’m sorry that some catholics were judging you, that’s not christlike. however, i suggest you reconsider your banner. i assume you’re not catholic and if true, you have not received the body and blood of the Lord (Jn 6:53 ff). unless you do, you do not have life within you. God bless.
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SIA
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What if he is Orthodox? Are you saying that he would still have not received the body blood soul and divinity of Christ?
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SIA
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So therefore according to the dictation from your church, he could not possibly have received the Real Presence in his communion.
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emarc
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sorry for my confusion. under 44pres name shows banned, yet he keeps posting. any reason? thanks.
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Realcatholicgk
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**St Paul called scripture the Plumb and the level? Boy, was I sleeping! Can you provide the chapter and verse please?
You aren’t making up scripture again are you?
Anyway the Catholic church is the only authorized interpreter of the scriptures. You can make false interpretions of the counterfeit versions of the Holy Bible that have been made since 1611AD. At last count there were over 100 different, corrupted versions in use by the 61,000 imitation christian denominations. **
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no Christianknight is a very nice , young (15 year old) man. He is a protestant. I believe non-denominational but may be wrong. He will become a very good adult. His heart is pure!
God Bless**
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What tells you that?
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Realcatholicgk
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Well Ag_not, that would depend on several things,
( What a box of worms you just opened!
) by Baptist did you mean Baptists, Southern Baptists, or Free Will Baptists or one of their various associations, conferences, conventions, fellowships, groups, or unions? What is the difference you ask? That is easy to explain!Not the differences, but the reason why no one can make the differences clear even the baptist themselves! They have no idea! With their various associations, conferences, conventions, fellowships, groups, and unions around the world even Baptists can’t even keep accurate track of their own sub-denominations. There are about 50 just in the USA many of which may also have modified there own groups doctrinal stance to Free and General Baptists!
Unlike Catholicism, Baptist can only trace their church’s existence to 1639 when founded by Roger Williams in the area that would become the city of Providence in the USA. Side by side with the larger body of Baptists, Ten sectsexist, they are found chiefly in the USA. I will not list their historical and doctrinal relationships by their historical connection to the three “Original doctrinal variations” of Baptist. I could try but I actually think that might be close to impossible. Besides as I said the groups probably have modified their doctrinal stance to Free and General Baptists by now or will soon.
(1) The Baptist Church of Christ originated about 1808, Its doctrine is a mild form of Calvinism, with belief in a general atonement and admission of feet-washing as religious ordinance.
(2) The Campbellites, Disciples of Christ, or Christians, date back as a distinct religious body to the early part of the nineteenth century. They are the outgrowth of that movement which manifested itself simultaneously in some of the other religious denominations in the United States in favor of the Bible alone without creeds.
(3) The Dunkards (German: tunken, “to dip”), German Baptists, or Brethren, were founded about 1708 in Germany. By 1729, they had all emigrated to the USA. Today many divisions have taken place among them. They practice threefold immersion, Their communion service, preceded by the agape, are held in the evenings.
(4) The Freewill Baptists correspond in doctrine and practice to the English General Baptists, but originated in the United States. They exist in two distinct bodies. The older was founded in 1729. Many of its members subsequently joined the Regular Baptists. Those who did not unite became known as the “Free Willers” and later as the “Original Freewill Baptists”. The larger body of the “Freewill Baptists” was founded in 1780. The denomination spread throughout New England and the West, and was joined in 1841 by the “Free-Communion Baptists”. It has changed its official name to “Free Baptists”. The American General Baptists are in substantial doctrinal agreement with the Freewill Baptists.
(5) The Old Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit “Predestinarian” Baptists are Manichaean in doctrine, basically holding that there are two seeds, one of good and one of evil.
(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists since 1835 has constituted a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions.
(7) The foundation of the Separate and of the United Baptists was the result, either immediate or mediate, of the attitude taken by some Baptists toward the “Whitefield revival movement of the eighteenth century” (Don’t ask!)
(8) The Seventh-Day Baptists differ from the tenets of the Baptists generally only in their observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord. “Sabbatarian Baptists” organized in 1671. In 1818 the name Seventh Day Baptists was adopted.
(9) The Six-principle Baptists are a small body and date from the seventeenth century. They are so called from the six doctrines of their creed, contained in Heb., vi, 1-2:
(a) Repentance from dead works;
(b) Faith toward God;
(c) The doctrine of Baptism;
(d) The imposition of hands;
(e) The resurrection of the dead;
(f) Eternal judgment.
(10) The Winebrennerians or Church of God were founded in 1829. They acknowledge three Divine ordinances: (sacraments)
baptism,
feet-washing,
and the Lord’s Supper **
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Jesus Himself is the plumb and the level of Truth. He has revealed HImself to the Church, and the Church produced the Scriptures, which testify of Him. The Church is the pillar and ground of the Truth.
No. We recognize that the Orthodox have valid Holy Orders, and valid Sacraments.
It is not a “dictation” but a pardosis. Jesus instituted the Last Supper. He is the one who set it up so that it would reflect the unity that He established for the Church.
Jesus was clear that disputes were to be taken to the Church for resolution.
Scripture is clear that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of the Truth.
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Martin777
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Scripture does such a complete job of lighting the way! Thanks.
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emarc
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wow. this is truly informative. if you don’t mind can you share your source? thx.Well Ag_not, that would depend on several things,
( What a box of worms you just opened!
**Not the differences, but the reason why no one can make the differences clear even the baptist themselves! They have no idea! With their various associations, conferences, conventions, fellowships, groups, and unions around the world even Baptists can’t even keep accurate track of their own sub-denominations. There are about 50 just in the USA many of which may also have modified there own groups doctrinal stance to Free and General Baptists! **
**Unlike Catholicism, Baptist can only trace their church’s existence to 1639 when founded by Roger Williams in the area that would become the city of Providence in the USA. Side by side with the larger body of Baptists, Ten sectsexist, they are found chiefly in the USA. I will not list their historical and doctrinal relationships by their historical connection to the three “Original doctrinal variations” of Baptist. I could try but I actually think that might be close to impossible. Besides as I said the groups probably have modified their doctrinal stance to Free and General Baptists by now or will soon. **
**(1) The Baptist Church of Christ originated about 1808, Its doctrine is a mild form of Calvinism, with belief in a general atonement and admission of feet-washing as religious ordinance. **
**(2) The Campbellites, Disciples of Christ, or Christians, date back as a distinct religious body to the early part of the nineteenth century. They are the outgrowth of that movement which manifested itself simultaneously in some of the other religious denominations in the United States in favor of the Bible alone without creeds. **
**(3) The Dunkards (German: tunken, “to dip”), German Baptists, or Brethren, were founded about 1708 in Germany. By 1729, they had all emigrated to the USA. Today many divisions have taken place among them. They practice threefold immersion, Their communion service, preceded by the agape, are held in the evenings. **
**(4) The Freewill Baptists correspond in doctrine and practice to the English General Baptists, but originated in the United States. They exist in two distinct bodies. The older was founded in 1729. Many of its members subsequently joined the Regular Baptists. Those who did not unite became known as the “Free Willers” and later as the “Original Freewill Baptists”. The larger body of the “Freewill Baptists” was founded in 1780. The denomination spread throughout New England and the West, and was joined in 1841 by the “Free-Communion Baptists”. It has changed its official name to “Free Baptists”. The American General Baptists are in substantial doctrinal agreement with the Freewill Baptists. **
**(5) The Old Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit “Predestinarian” Baptists are Manichaean in doctrine, basically holding that there are two seeds, one of good and one of evil. **
**(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists since 1835 has constituted a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions. **
(7) The foundation of the Separate and of the United Baptists was the result, either immediate or mediate, of the attitude taken by some Baptists toward the “Whitefield revival movement of the eighteenth century” (Don’t ask!)
(8) The Seventh-Day Baptists differ from the tenets of the Baptists generally only in their observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord. “Sabbatarian Baptists” organized in 1671. In 1818 the name Seventh Day Baptists was adopted.
**(9) The Six-principle Baptists are a small body and date from the seventeenth century. They are so called from the six doctrines of their creed, contained in Heb., vi, 1-2: **
**(a) Repentance from dead works; **
(b) Faith toward God;
(c) The doctrine of Baptism;
**(d) The imposition of hands; **
(e) The resurrection of the dead;
**(f) Eternal judgment. **
(10) The Winebrennerians or Church of God were founded in 1829. They acknowledge three Divine ordinances: (sacraments)
baptism,
**feet-washing, **
**and the Lord’s Supper **
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