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As much as you beg the question, 2nd, it doesn’t change the answer.
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Now I’m wondering what’s in the cup.That’s talking about The Orthodox Church that exists today.
The Catholic Church is an “orthodox” (not “Orthodox”) church.
The “Orthodox” Church is not a Catholic Church, but an Orthodox (not “orthodox”) church.
Still haven’t shown me where in history the term or phrase “Orthodox Church” or “Orthodox Catholic Church” exists before the 11th century.
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You’ve been shown frequent references to the Orthodox Faith of the Catholic Church. So either your church is confessing our Faith (which we agree, it’s not) or you have been shown the reference to the Orthodox Church way before the schism (btw, the term you are trying to get is “schismatic”). Take your pick.
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2ndGen
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No. Haven’t seen any “Orthodox Faith” in your references.
I’ve seen the “orthodox faith”, but not the “Orthodox Faith”.
And I still haven’t seen any “The Orthodox Church” mentioned.
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2ndGen
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I tried to send you this PM, but it seems that your box is too full to accept any PM’s.
So I’ll post it here…
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No matter how much we go at it, I want you to know that I have a lot of respect for you.
You’ve never insulted me.
I couldn’t respond to anymore of your posts without you knowing how much I appreciate that.
Peace unto you my Christian “Catholic” Brother.
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2ndGen
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It “ain’t” Catholic (capitol “C”).
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2ndGen
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No, actually, it says how it ‘came to’ be known as The Orthodx Church (which is, again, talking about The Church known as The Orthodox Church today).
When was it called “The Orthodox Church” first?
What year?
We can trace The Catholic Church’s first appearance “namewise” in history “before” the 11th century.
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VARC
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I have already cited your catholic encyclopedia that stated that the term Orthodox was used as a name for the Catholic Church in the East. Do you not accept the scholarship of your own catholic historians?
What are you attempting to prove with this line of reasoning?
What are you attempting to prove with this line of reasoning?
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VARC
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What do you think “IT” is refering to?
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2ndGen
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“IT” is obviously The Orthodox Church of today.
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VARC
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I’ll answer for you
IT is refering to the Catholic Church in the East. IT was called “Orthodox” before the schism according to your own historians.
IT is refering to the Catholic Church in the East. IT was called “Orthodox” before the schism according to your own historians.
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VARC
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Fallacy. Nonsequitor. The proper name of the church has no bearing is whether what they teach is orthodox or not.
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2ndGen
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Wow! Great!
Where’s the document that I can see the term “The Orthodox Church” used to describe Eastern Catholicism “before” The 11th Century?
(Not a modern day essay on how the modern Orthodox Church got it’s name “after” the 11th Century)
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VARC
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Not a good idea to kick dirt on the scholarship of your own historians just to make a fallacious nonsequitor argument.
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2ndGen
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Ohhh…I see.
So according to you, names “don’t” matter?
Of course the member of a Church that didn’t exist until “after” the 11th Century would believe that.
If names “don’t” matter, does that mean that “The Orthodox Catholic Church” that was created “in” America “The” original Church?
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According to any reasonable person, it doesn’t matter. Protestants churches are called the “Church of Christ” (actually a more ancient proper name than Catholic). But that proves nothing. Also, the See of Utrecht, is called the Catholic Church, but that also proves nothing. It is a fallaciuos argument. The proper name is just a label. It is the Faith that they hold that matters.Ohhh…I see.
So according to you, names “don’t” matter?
The real question is which church shares the same faith as the Catholic Church of the 7 ecumenical councils?
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Frankly, your argument that “the Roman Catholic Church is orthodox because we’re Catholic with a big “C”” is one of the silliest arguments I’ve ever heard (and I’ve heard a lot). You’re really grasping at straws on this one.
No offence
No offence
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2ndGen
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Are you attempting to make that a quote of mine by using parenthesis marks around those words (“the Roman Catholic Church is orthodox because we’re Catholic with a big “C””)?
The Catholic Church is orthodox because we are The Church Jesus started. Not because of what we are called.
No wonder you don’t understand.
You “don’t” understand.
I’m never said that The Roman Catholic Church was anything. I never talked about any Roman Catholic Church.
Are you attempting to make that a quote of mine by using parenthesis marks around those words (“the Roman Catholic Church is orthodox because we’re Catholic with a big “C””)?
The Catholic Church is orthodox because we are The Church Jesus started. Not because of what we are called.
No wonder you don’t understand.
You “don’t” understand.
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2ndGen
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Do you have any evidence that The Catholic Church was called “Church of Christ” officially “before” the 2nd Century?
You say that it is a more ancient title, where?
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