The Duggars Respond to Reports That Josh Duggar Was Accused of Child Molestation

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Suudy said:
Ok. Since the victims apparently are at peace, perhaps we should take them at their word that things are over for them. There’s nothing to suggest.

Again, the point is that what is the goal of “proper redress”? Whatever action was taken appears to have achieved the intended end of rehabilitation and restitution. JD hasn’t repeated his crimes and his victims have found peace. What further actions is necessary?

It seems you aren’t satisfied. Despite there being zero evidence that he’s not reformed, you want evidence that he has been reformed. Sounds like proving he’s innocent, rather than proving him guilty.
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If the victims are truly at peace, I am glad for them. But it can’t end there. Why would (or should) anyone believe that he is reformed, given that there is no evidence one way or the other. They sent him to live with a family friend for a while, and he claims he has not repeated the conduct. Would you leave your 8 or 10 yr old daughter with him based on that?

But there is more to this. His parents, the police, and Harpo studies, at least, knew about this. Did any of them do anything to warn or protect others? He is politically active and a public person who has been held out by FRC and others as a model of virtuous behavior. Did FRC or others know about his history?
 
SuperLuigi said:
Quite correct.

Yes it is.

No it isn’t.

:doh2:

They didn’t “just let it go”. There is a police report and he got counseling.
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He did NOT get counseling. Per Michelle’s words in the report, they sent him to a family friend to work. He was not a licensed counselor but more of a “mentor”.

That is NOT counseling. They call it counseling. I call it baloney. :mad:
 
SuperLuigi said:
Quite correct.

Yes it is.

No it isn’t.

:doh2:

They didn’t “just let it go”. There is a police report and he got counseling.
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He went to a camp and had a “mentor.” Big whoop.

It isn’t compassionate. There is nothing charitable about “you just need to pick up your cross and deal with it. Be humble.” Makes people want to pick up that cross and beat people with it.
 
SuperLuigi said:
:rolleyes:

One doesn’t have to had the experience to have an opinion.
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The opinions of the people who have had the experience are far more valuable because they actually know what they’re talking about.
SuperLuigi said:
They didn’t “just let it go”. There is a police report and he got counseling.
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But (from what I’ve read) he was still living with his victims afterwards. That is basically letting it go, imo.
 
TMC said:
If the victims are truly at peace, I am glad for them. But it can’t end there. Why would (or should) anyone believe that he is reformed, given that there is no evidence one way or the other. They sent him to live with a family friend for a while, and he claims he has not repeated the conduct. Would you leave your 8 or 10 yr old daughter with him based on that?

But there is more to this. His parents, the police, and Harpo studies, at least, knew about this. Did any of them do anything to warn or protect others? He is politically active and a public person who has been held out by FRC and others as a model of virtuous behavior. Did FRC or others know about his history?
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Harpo Studio’s contacted the police immediately when they received the tip. They are the reason a police report was finally filed and the victims/witnesses were interviewed.
 
TMC said:
If the victims are truly at peace, I am glad for them. But it can’t end there. Why would (or should) anyone believe that he is reformed, given that there is no evidence one way or the other. They sent him to live with a family friend for a while, and he claims he has not repeated the conduct. Would you leave your 8 or 10 yr old daughter with him based on that?

But there is more to this. His parents, the police, and Harpo studies, at least, knew about this. Did any of them do anything to warn or protect others? He is politically active and a public person who has been held out by FRC and others as a model of virtuous behavior. Did FRC or others know about his history?
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  1. Harpo studios contacted the police. When the police got involved, it seems the family called in a lawyer. By the time they got to talk to him the statute of limitations had passed. The family cancelled the next appearance on O because of it.
    defamer.gawker.com/josh-duggar-accused-of-molesting-several-sisters-as-a-t-1706096839
  2. FRC claimed thay didn’t know about the allegations.
  3. Governor Huckabee just came out in support of the Duggars on his facebook page.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
If anyone came to me and said that they were sexually abused, 911 would be dialed immediately. Get this person off the streets, it isn’t good for society. That’s my first reaction.
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You would condemn your own child possibly to life as a registered sex offender, which often means no jobs, no housing, and a status as kind of modern-day leper? It is understating it by a million to say that I could never in good conscience do such a thing unless the absolute only way of preventing further abuse would be to use our justice system.
 
LongingSoul said:
I think it is natural and healthy to hold religious people to a higher standard of behaviour. Religion is the guardian of morality and its credibility to teach the world relies on exemplary models of morality demonstrating the moral life. When religious examples don’t live a moral life they will always fall harder.
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There are two problems with that logic. 🙂 First of all, it’s not fair. We’re all poor sinners. Anyone of us can fall into grave sin if we aren’t carefully guarding ourselves against it. Being a believer doesn’t shield us from such temptations. Indeed, believers are often attacked by the devil more than unbelievers precisely to make them fall and be held up to unfair scrutiny and shaming by the very world that lets others get away with horrenous crimes against their fellow men.

And secondly, he was a child at the time himself. Like a lot of young boys he had newly discovered urges he didn’t know how to appropriately deal with. I fault the parents there. Good, solid sex education by parents is vital for young people entering their teens. They should have had “the talk” with him and made sure he understood what was appropriate sexual behavior and what wasn’t. Just being in a religious family is no guarantee that their values will “rub off” on their children.

I too experienced a young man touching me sexually when I was a girl. I told my parents. They told his parents, who wouldn’t own up to it–all too typical I’m afraid. My parents made sure we never saw that kid again. But the Duggars reacted properly when they found out. They took all the right actions with the result that their son and the girls involved were able to heal and move on. Our sick, anti-religious culture won’t let people move on from such mistakes/sins–not unless they’re famous and one of their own, like Woody Allen. I say there is a double standard in the way society judges these cases. This is a case in point.
 
SWolf said:
So they should have kicked their 14 year old son out, or sent him to foster care?
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I think, given their network of support, that there had to be a happy medium. Send him to a nice farm somewhere until he grows into adulthood. There are ways to compartmentalize these things.

No matter what the end result–and, frankly, we don’t yet know the end result–locking his victims up with him was hazardous.
 
Colorad007 said:
You would condemn your own child [possibly to life as a registered sex offender, which often means no jobs, no housing, and a status as kind of modern-day leper? It is understating it by a million to say that I could never in good conscience do such a thing unless the absolute only way of preventing further abuse would be to use our justice system.
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Yep. Call me cold or whatever you wish, but there are some things you don’t do, like, idk, molesting your little sisters. I would be at his trial. I would visit him in jail. I would not bail him out and he wouldn’t be around his little sisters once he got out.
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TMC said:
If the victims are truly at peace, I am glad for them. But it can’t end there. Why would (or should) anyone believe that he is reformed, given that there is no evidence one way or the other. They sent him to live with a family friend for a while, and he claims he has not repeated the conduct. Would you leave your 8 or 10 yr old daughter with him based on that?

But there is more to this. His parents, the police, and Harpo studies, at least, knew about this. Did any of them do anything to warn or protect others? He is politically active and a public person who has been held out by FRC and others as a model of virtuous behavior. Did FRC or others know about his history?
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Sorry, but is there anything other than a spate of incidents that happened when he was a child (more than a decade ago, and for which his is obviously repentant) that give you reason to believe that he isn’t virtuous? That is quite an accusation to make. To the contrary, everything I’ve seen indicates that he is indeed a wonderful husband, father, and a fine human being.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
I think, given their network of support, that there had to be a happy medium. Send him to a nice farm somewhere until he grows into adulthood. There are ways to compartmentalize these things.

No matter what the end result–and, frankly, we don’t yet know the end result–locking his victims up with him was hazardous.
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Was that supposed to be funny?
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
Yep. Call me cold or whatever you wish, but there are some things you don’t do, like, idk, molesting your little sisters. I would be at his trial. I would visit him in jail. I would not bail him out and he wouldn’t be around his little sisters once he got out.
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Well, if you’re the parent, some of the responsibility may fall on you. So IMO, it’s more complicated than that.
 
SWolf said:
So they should have kicked their 14 year old son out, or sent him to foster care?
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He should not have been allowed to live with his victims. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near them.
 
Loly_Maria said:
He should not have been allowed to live with his victims. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near them.
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You didn’t really answer my question.

Also, given he seems to be an upstanding adult now, and his sisters forgave him, I’m thinking the outcome here is much better than “throw him in jail”, “throw him in foster care” and “throw him in a farm somewhere”.

Look at the abuse rates sometime for prisons and foster care and tell me that would be a better outcome.
 
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