Oh you’re right! We don’t get the show over here and I’ve just been reading things off the web. So confusing. Why do they all have to have names starting with J? That must make identifying mail from the letterbox a nightmare. Miss J Duggar could be one of a dozen!
I really doubt that the girls get mail addressed to them. You’d address the mail to her father if she’s unmarried and to her husband if she’s married.
Unfortunately, this is not just an issue in that particular Christian circle. Think of all the modesty topics on CAF where people blaming women for “immodest dress”, and they seem to be coming from the point of view that God made men to be “visual” and easily aroused, and that they can’t help themselves from lusting, that the women are to blame for putting them in near occasions of sin. I’ve even seen many posters come right out and accuse “immodest females” of deliberately trying to stir up lust among men, even in the context of Church services!
This reasoning by Jim Bob is actually documented in the police report itself. However, I think his actions still show that he cared about protecting his son, more than he cared about protecting his daughters. Which would be right in line with his overall patriarchal beliefs.
Their version of reporting to the police was taking it to a cop friend of theirs. And they did NOT send Josh to counseling.
I agree, it’s a common mind set in many Christian circles…
Yes, and I think he was right to keep Josh out of prison. Prison is no place for rehabilitation. And seeing as Josh was only a child himself at the time of the offense I think that his chances for rehabilitation were better than most. Provided of course that he stayed out of prison.
I totally agree with this. Indeed, I’d even ask the Josh defenders, if what he did wasn’t really a big deal in the first place, then doesn’t that mean he actually doesn’t deserve as much praise for repenting as you’re giving him?
Yes, they seem to believe the only way to protect women from sexual predation is NOT to actually change the hearts and minds of the men, but to impose very strict controls by outside parties. Hence the extremely strict courtship rules. The idea is that it’s impossible to actually teach a boy/man to control his urges himself, the only way to prevent him from falling into sexual sin for a parent or other person to supervise him at all times.
The Duggars sent Josh to counseling. Although I agree it is more along the lines of “counseling” with quotation marks. The same way they send their children to “school” or to “college”. It is all Gothardite garbage that wouldn’t be recognized for much of anything outside of their tiny clan.
“Stephanie Nicole” posted:
(“Son and daughter-in-law” referring to Ben Seewald and Jessa Duggar Seewald, for the benefit of posters who aren’t familiar with the show.)
However, while this may be more a topic for one of the Apologetics forums, the way the Duggars dealt with Josh actually SEEMS to be in line with the following passage from Matthew 18:15-17:
Of course not! Why should women be allowed to receive mail?
They did NOT get counseling for Josh. Go read the police report. Jim Bob claimed in his interview that he was sent to counseling. Michelle completely contradicted him and said it was NOT counseling.
C. S. Lewis’ “The Hideous Strength” goes into this rather well, I think. He talks about the bugaboo that many modern women have of the “intrusive male” invading their “prim virginity”–a primness, turned inside out and backwards, that has led to hatred of men and of their own bodies’ ability to conceive and bear life. Men, on the other hand, no longer see women as special or deserving of consideration but as targets for their urges. It’s a huge mess that has infected the whole of our society and culture.
I don’t think this fellow is in any position to make any statements. He isn’t Josh’s in-law, he’s Jessa’s father in law. If she was one of the girls I especially find it completely inappropriate to make comments about it.
I recall a particularly shocking exchange from the Marriage Bed forum in which a husband, after constantly demanding that his wife allow anal sex, eventually forcibly sodomized her. Although some posters did support the victim and validated her violation, many others advised she forgive her husband for his “mistake”, some even seriously suggested that maybe the husband didn’t really mean to do it, he just “slipped”.
He and his type have grown fat off the chum kicked up in the wake of the Duggars. While I think his arguments are ludicrous, I can understand why he doesn’t want the ride to stop.
I tend to agree, unless of course Jessa herself was consulted and okay with her father in law speaking out. However, if the Seewalds hold the same patriarchal beliefs as the Duggars, that probably was not the case.
