The Duggars Respond to Reports That Josh Duggar Was Accused of Child Molestation

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josie_L said:
I have, and what I heard many of them say was that he was very wrong/immoral for doing what he did, however, he was also very young at the time of the offense.
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If we think about it, there are three requirements for a mortal sin. Grave matter, full knowledge and free consent. I don’t think anyone can dispute that a 14 year old is able to know that sexual abuse is wrong. However, for someone who is predisposed to abuse others, a reasonable question is whether they developed the fortitude to overcome the temptation at 14. I don’t know the answer, but if someone wants to cite evidence one way or another it would help clarify things.
 
gracepoole said:
Again, what’s genuinely insulting are the comparisons between between sexual abuse and buying beer or vandalism or being a “thug” or… I’m far less concerned with people here feeling icky about how others respond and far more concerned with abuse victims whose trauma is being minimized and dismissed through such analogies.
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It’s ok to insult victims of abuse, by comparing what happened to childhood mistakes, just don’t tell those people that they may need some help. Alrighty then.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
Dude just said that Duggar made a childhood mistake like he did when he bought beer as a teen. :rolleyes:
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No, that’s not what he was trying to say, I think the point he was trying to relay is that kids of that age do senseless, stupid, immoral things (scientifically their frontal lobe is not even well developed enough to make the right choices, which is why children have parents to guide them).

p.s. What Josh Duggar did was immoral and no one on this thread has said otherwise.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
If she’s insulted, she needs to take a chill pill. I don’t understand why anyone would be insulted by something that won’t happen. I’m not paying for hundreds of evals.
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You have any chill pills to pass around:D
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
If she’s insulted, she needs to take a chill pill. I don’t understand why anyone would be insulted by something that won’t happen. I’m not paying for hundreds of evals.
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No, I’m not insulted because up until now I wasn’t even participating in this thread, however, I think your remark hit below the belt, and wasn’t necessary. I don’t think that’s too hard to understand.
 
josie_L said:
No, that’s not what he was trying to say, I think the point he was trying to relay is that kids of that age do senseless, stupid, immoral things (scientifically their frontal lobe is not even well developed enough to make the right choices, which is why children have parents to guide them).

p.s. What Josh Duggar did was immoral and no one on this thread has said otherwise.
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Yes, it isn’t fully developed until around 25.

Buying beer is typical. Molesting your sibling isn’t. There seriously isn’t a comparison of the two. It isn’t just a childhood mistake, which I think he put in all caps. No, people aren’t saying it is immoral, they are just minimizing it. It is far more worse than vandalizing, consensual premarital sex, and buying beer underage. All sinful/immoral, all far less than sex abuse.
 
josie_L said:
No, I’m not insulted because up until now I wasn’t even participating in this thread, however, I think your remark hit below the belt, and wasn’t necessary. I don’t think that’s too hard to understand.
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This wasn’t the first time I said it in this thread. I guess you weren’t paying too much attention.
 
gracepoole said:
Sorry, but read them again. Likening sexual violation of a sibling to --as I’ve said multiple times now – vandalism, buying beer, two adults having an affair, etc. is present here. And each of these comparisons is a wildly inappropriate minimizing of sexual abuse.
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I don’t think that they were likening sexual violation to a sibling with vandalism, buying beer . . . etc. as if to say they were on par immorally speaking with sexual violation. I think the point some posters were trying to make is that children are sometimes senseless, stupid, and less likely to make the right decisions (and exert self control) than let us say an adult of 25.

p.s. Scientifically speaking, the frontal lobe, which is in charge of rationalizing, making good decisions . . . .etc. is not fully formed until the age of 25.
In humans, the frontal lobe reaches full maturity around the late 20s,[2] marking the cognitive maturity associated with adulthood.
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The function of the frontal lobe involves the ability to project future consequences resulting from current actions, the choice between good and bad actions (or better and best), the override and suppression of socially unacceptable responses, and the determination of similarities and differences between things or events.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontal_lobe
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Hey guys, can we all just take a minute and breathe before this thread gets closed.

I really would like it to stay open. This whole story has been bothering me (after following this family for a decade) and it really helps to have a safe place to come discuss it without all the anti-Christian hatred and all that.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
Yes, however I already go to a psychologist and psychiatrist. ADHD (severe), OCD (minor), and GAD, I also had an episode of Major Depression. So, I’ve already been evaluated and I go this week to chat with them. 🤷
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Maybe a second opinion might be in order. 🤷
 
josie_L said:
I don’t think that they were likening sexual violation to a sibling with vandalism, buying beer . . . etc. as if to say they were on par immorally speaking with sexual violation. I think the point some posters were trying to make is that children are sometimes senseless, stupid, and less likely to make the right decisions (and exert self control) than let us say an adult of 25.

p.s. Scientifically speaking, the frontal lobe, which is in charge of rationalizing, making good decisions . . . .etc. is not fully formed until the age of 25.
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You do realize that people are charged with crimes and are sentence to life in prison long before they hit 25? I surely knew right from wrong long before 25 and I have multiple mental health issues. Should we not have first communion and confession around 7? Should we raise this to 25?

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One thing people fail to notice is the state trooper they talked to was a family friend who was convicted of child porn and other crimes. This is why it never went anywhere is the family friend did not do his job!
 
masondoggy said:
Hey guys, can we all just take a minute and breathe before this thread gets closed.

I really would like it to stay open. This whole story has been bothering me (after following this family for a decade) and it really helps to have a safe place to come discuss it without all the anti-Christian hatred and all that.
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I second the call to return the thread to the discussion before it gets closed.
Unfortunately, this thread is now beginning to look like a secular one with all the back and forth and personal attacks.:(😦
Can we please return to the topic.
 
TCR74 said:
One thing people fail to notice is the state trooper they talked to was a family friend who was convicted of child porn and other crimes. This is why it never went anywhere is the family friend did not do his job!
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Yes, and I think that was deliberate on the parents part. They didn’t want this going through official channels. Not only would Josh be in hot water legally, but they would’ve lost total control over what happens to him AND what he was exposed to. Getting the courts involved would’ve surely gotten secular counseling involved along with a worldview that they went to great length to shield their kids from.

On one level, I can understand this as a parent. But on another level, it came down to control. Something very valuable to JimBob.
 
TCR74 said:
One thing people fail to notice is the state trooper they talked to was a family friend who was convicted of child porn and other crimes. This is why it never went anywhere is the family friend did not do his job!
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masondoggy said:
Yes, and I think that was deliberate on the parents part. They didn’t want this going through official channels. Not only would Josh be in hot water legally, but they would’ve lost total control over what happens to him AND what he was exposed to. Getting the courts involved would’ve surely gotten secular counseling involved along with a worldview that they went to great length to shield their kids from.

On one level, I can understand this as a parent. But on another level, it came down to control. Something very valuable to JimBob.
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There seems to be an outstanding (meaning unanswered) question about whether the state trooper was truly a family friend or whether the Duggars simply knew him because he performed state inspections on the vehicles at the Duggars’ car lot.

In either case, the trooper was negligent in not getting CPS involved. At a minimum it seems that should have happened.
 
One of the recurring questions that keeps coming up from both sides, and I think is a useful one to discuss is “how would you deal with the living arrangement as the parent?”
This is a difficult one since both victim and perpetrator are children of the Duggars. Maybe they were afraid that sending Josh away would breed resentment? But it seems equally problematic to have him back in the house and setting the other kids to watch and report on him (per the police report).I probably would have arranged for other living quarters for him until I was sure everything was fine.

I am still unconvinced that this was just a normal youthful indiscretion. Five victims and the fact that he kept at it even having been found out seem to indicate that this was a problem. I am hoping though that he has been changed and has not reoffended since.
 
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