The end of Protestantism

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steido01 said:
I’ve discussed the whole name thing before, so I’ll simply respond with a quote fitting for the day:

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We’re called Lutherans because that’s the name our opponents used for us and they wouldn’t stop. Luther just wanted us to call ourselves Christians or Evangelicals. After awhile, we simply adopted the name " Lutheran" because that’s what others kept insisting on calling us whatchristianswanttoknow.com/martin-luther-quotes-21-powerful-sayings/ .
 
Thorolfr said:
That’s why some of us have things like women pastors now, because our denominations are not static and have not remained in perpetual childhood but have developed and changed. They are no longer mustard seeds but full-grown trees 😃
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Is Birth Control, Abortion, Divorce and re-Marriage and Gay “Marriages” part of your growth too ? Plus anywhere between 30 to 60 thousand different denominations that don’t agree on many important truths!! That’s a mighty big tree you have there !! God Bless, Memaw
 
LutheranScholar said:
We’re called Lutherans because that’s the name our opponents used for us and they wouldn’t stop. Luther just wanted us to call ourselves Christians or Evangelicals. After awhile, we simply adopted the name " Lutheran" because that’s what others kept insisting on calling us.
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Aha!
 
Thorolfr said:
I think that for some people, something happened to them in the tradition/denomination in which they were raised that became an impediment in their spiritual life or perhaps that kind of church service was not the right one for them to find a connection to God. I was raised Southern Baptist but don’t feel comfortable in that kind of church any more and am not sure I ever did.

I now attend a Lutheran church which has a very traditional liturgy and high church kind of service. We kneel at the altar rail for communion, the clergy wear vestments (something that Baptist ministers would never do). I cross myself now, something I would never have considered doing in a Baptist church because I thought it was “too Catholic.” I like this kind of traditional liturgy and it feels fresh and meaningful to me. On the other hand some born Lutherans I know in my church wish we had a “contemporary” service instead because the traditional service feels stale to them. Different people find connection with God in different ways.
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Keep working your way up and you may just find your self in the “Real Deal” the Catholic Church, not one that is just trying to imitate it, without getting toooo close. I have been wondering why so many protestant ministers have started wearing Roman Collars??? God Bless, Memaw
 
eightydeuce82 said:
So do you have direct sources for that idea or just the website you posted?
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It’s not up for debate; it’s historical fact and common encyclopedic knowledge (Britannica, second para), (Wiki, see Etymology). Throughout history, the Church has named various heresies after their Heresiarch. In the case of the Evangelisch Reformation in Germany, they pinned it on the loudmouth monk who wouldn’t stop writing.

As for the actual application of “Lutheran” to those Evangelisch churches, just take a read at Eck, Cochleaus, Pope Leo X, et al.

I also explained this a few pages back.

Or you could, you know, take the original source at his word:
“The first thing I ask is that people should not make use of my name, and should not call themselves Lutherans but Christians. What is Luther? The teaching is not mine. Nor was I crucified for anyone. How did I, poor stinking bag of maggots that I am, come to the point where people call the children of Christ by my evil name?” ~Martin Luther
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steido01 said:
It’s not up for debate; it’s historical fact and common encyclopedic knowledge (Britannica, second para), (Wiki, see Etymology). Throughout history, the Church has named various heresies after their Heresiarch. In the case of the Evangelisch Reformation in Germany, they pinned it on the loudmouth monk who wouldn’t stop writing.

As for the actual application of “Lutheran” to those Evangelisch churches, just take a read at Eck, Cochleaus, Pope Leo X, et al.

I also explained this a few pages back.

Or you could, you know, take the original source at his word:
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Funny they officially accept the name of a heresy. I find it fitting since well they are following a man. a man that changed the bible none the less! Wonder when the next protestant man will do that again? Wait its already happening.
 
Memaw said:
I have been wondering why so many protestant ministers have started wearing Roman Collars??? God Bless, Memaw
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You mean why so many Roman Catholic priests wear Protestant collars? Protestants invented the collar. Presbyterians or Anglicans, depending on who you ask. Roman Catholic priests co-opted it afterward.
 
eightydeuce82 said:
Funny they officially accept the name of a heresy. I find it fitting since well they are following a man. a man that changed the bible none the less! Wonder when the next protestant man will do that again? Wait its already happening.
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Are you always this snarky or just on Thursday?😉
 
eightydeuce82 said:
Funny they officially accept the name of a heresy.
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Just like how Packer fans have accepted the “Cheesehead” moniker mockingly given to us by those barbarians from Illinois. 😃
eightydeuce82 said:
I find it fitting since well they are following a man.
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No, we don’t follow Paul, nor Apollos, nor Luther – just Christ.
eightydeuce82 said:
a man that changed the bible none the less!
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Sighs No, he did not. But that’s another thread.
eightydeuce82 said:
Wonder when the next protestant man will do that again? Wait its already happening.
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Happens all the time. According to the Orthodox, your communion did that in 1546.
 
steido01 said:
You mean why so many Roman Catholic priests wear Protestant collars? Protestants invented the collar. Presbyterians or Anglicans, depending on who you ask. Roman Catholic priests co-opted it afterward.
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Well said.
 
steido01 said:
It’s not up for debate; it’s historical fact and common encyclopedic knowledge (Britannica, second para), (Wiki, see Etymology). Throughout history, the Church has named various heresies after their Heresiarch. In the case of the Evangelisch Reformation in Germany, they pinned it on the loudmouth monk who wouldn’t stop writing.

As for the actual application of “Lutheran” to those Evangelisch churches, just take a read at Eck, Cochleaus, Pope Leo X, et al.

I also explained this a few pages back.

Or you could, you know, take the original source at his word:
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That doesn’t really explain why.

Edit: That’s “why” as in “why did they adopt the name that opponents applied to them”, not “why did Luther object to the practice”.
 
steido01 said:
Just like how Packer fans have accepted the “Cheesehead” moniker mockingly given to us by those barbarians from Illinois. 😃

No, we don’t follow Paul, nor Apollos, nor Luther – just Christ.

Sighs No, he did not. But that’s another thread.

Happens all the time. According to the Orthodox, your communion did that in 1546.
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They apparently only have the same arguments to recycle, Steido01. We try to explain and put our views out there honestly, but it’s either " Martin Luther did this," or " Lutherans did that." I think Luther had a pretty good point when he said what he said and when he wrote what he wrote and perhaps those issues should be honestly examined instead of saying " Luther changed the Bible," which is laughable. I’ve read both the Catholic and the Protestant Bibles and except for the Apocrypha being taken out of the Protestant Bibles, the words are very nearly identical.
 
Peter_J said:
That doesn’t really explain why.

Edit: That’s “why” as in “why did they adopt the name that opponents applied to them”, not “why did Luther object to the practice”.
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Ah, I read the words and understood the wrong question. Usually this only happens with the spoken word. Don’t tell the wife about this time, ok?

Many reasons, I suppose. Had it happened today, the PR teams would’ve been quick to disallow it. In fact, there are sizable numbers of Lutherans today who would rather be called Evangelical Catholics (yours truly included).

Why did it happen? Partly because the “Lutheran” part of your everyday “St. ________'s Evangelical Lutheran Church” became necessary to differentiate it from the Reformed folks, who were simultaneously trying to co-opt the Lutheran Reformation for their own (google Crypto-Calvinists, and you’ll find we’d rather “drink pure blood with the pope than mere wine with the [Reformed]”). As time went by, I suppose it just became natural.

During the various Prussian wars that brought about the unification of Germany, the secular powers wanted a sense of national identity, and the easiest means to connect subjects was through religion. So they fancied Luther into some gaudy nationalist hero. Even put him on coins with Calvin and Zwingli. shudder All of a sudden, being “Lutheran” = being German = something to be proud of. Not so different from what the American political factions do to Christian identity today.
 
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