The Fear of Hell

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ThinkingSapien said:
You might not recall, but we’ve had that conversation multiple times. I’ll instead ask you to refer to our previous discussions on the question.
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Hi Thinking -

Could you answer the question for me if not PR 🙂

I’m a relative newbie.

Thank you
 
Porknpie said:
Could you answer the question for me if not PR 🙂
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It’s been answered multiple times before. If you are curious about my personal disposition I’l refer you to one of many of the threads in which it’s been indicated.
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[SIGN][/SIGN] I disagree. Here is why, Anytime someone presents a against god-concept there has to be a reason for it. …]
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If someone presented an argument for why the sky is blue on a clear sunny day I might present an argument against what they said. It’s not because I disagree about the sky being blue, but because I disagree with the argument. Someone might argue against another’s thesis for a similar reason. If someone presents an argument for god another might argue against it to either test the original argument or the person that made it. It doesn’t mean the person is trying to prove that no gods exists.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It’s been answered multiple times before. If you are curious about my personal disposition I’l refer you to one of many of the threads in which it’s been indicated.
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Thanks for the link, TS, but that’s not the answer to the question: does God exist?

Your answer can only be one of 3 things:

yes
no
or I don’t know.

Which one is it?
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It’s been answered multiple times before. If you are curious about my personal disposition I’l refer you to one of many of the threads in which it’s been indicated.

If someone presented an argument for why the sky is blue on a clear sunny day I might present an argument against what they said. It’s not because I disagree about the sky being blue, but because I disagree with the argument. Someone might argue against another’s thesis for a similar reason. If someone presents an argument for god another might argue against it to either test the original argument or the person that made it. It doesn’t mean the person is trying to prove that no gods exists.
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Then what is the reason for it? Are you saying that God does not exist? Or are you saying you disagree with the argument that God exists? What are you saying?

If someone believes in God why would they try to produce an argument, anotherwards why argue on something you agree with?

And what would be the need to test the argument or person that made it, if you agree with them?:confused: It is not productive.

With that said what is your argument anyway? Why not be clear. Either you agree that he exists but as the sky not by our argument, or he does not exist?
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It’s been answered multiple times before. If you are curious about my personal disposition I’l refer you to one of many of the threads in which it’s been indicated.

If someone presented an argument for why the sky is blue on a clear sunny day I might present an argument against what they said. It’s not because I disagree about the sky being blue, but because I disagree with the argument. Someone might argue against another’s thesis for a similar reason. If someone presents an argument for god another might argue against it to either test the original argument or the person that made it. It doesn’t mean the person is trying to prove that no gods exists.
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Why indicate. Why not be clear? :confused:
 
ThinkingSapien said:
If someone presented an argument for why the sky is blue on a clear sunny day I might present an argument against what they said. It’s not because I disagree about the sky being blue, but because I disagree with the argument. Someone might argue against another’s thesis for a similar reason. If someone presents an argument for god another might argue against it to either test the original argument or the person that made it. It doesn’t mean the person is trying to prove that no gods exists.
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But what is your answer to this question: is atheism true?
 
PRmerger said:
But what is your answer to this question: is atheism true?
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It appears to me, by example time after time, that they never want to straight up answer that.

It would be answered like this, it could be true for me, but untrue for you. Or it is you who said that not I.

What I have found whenever confronted with truth they either derail or flee. And I truly do not know why.

Its like they are just here to sets traps, let us use one word out of context, or make a mistake and they appear just like the Blessed Mother appeared to those kids:D But ask for straight out truth and its so difficult. They either ignore or are gone.

But again, not all. I have felt in my heart, but not very often, truth and honesty. I doubt that you will get a straight answer, nor want to push one into a straight answer, we are taught that is wrong also. It is just hard. Because in the end, as I believe the word of God tells us, stay away from this, because its fruitless.

But what we are really doing here is not trying to change anyone, but know what they honestly think so we can be more compassionate to them. But it seems impossible at times. And usually always end up ugly and fruitless. No matter how hard the heart is sincere.🤷
 
Charlemagne_III said:
It is not reasonable to say that the existence of God does not matter. No one in his right mind says this.
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Not even the atheist says this, because he goes to the trouble of denying God.

That must matter to him, that he has to deny God. Otherwise his denial would be flippant. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
I know. It’s a bit peculiar, really.
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The best answer I have ever truly gotten is I don’t know for sure, or its possible, etc. Which truly is no answer at all.

If someone asks me if I believe in God the answer is short and sweet. Yes. Not I can open the possibility. We know what we believe or what we don’t believe.

To say I can see where he can exist, and where doubt could be found is truly no honest answer.

It is either yes I do, or no not at this time. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
Thanks for the link, TS, but that’s not the answer to the question: does God exist?
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It’s the answer to the question on my convictions on whether or not Yahweh exists. It seems you are not looking for a statement of conviction, but something else.

I get the impression you are yet again trying to persuade me to adopt one of a set of specific formulations of a statement like the interaction in the “Morality Without God” thread. For several pages I gave explanations on why I wouldn’t accept your wordings as my own, pointing out the ambiguities and self-contradictions of them. After another poster accepted them he discovered it was a bit of a ruse. We’ve done that dance a few times and I find it most uninteresting.

But thanks for offering.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
I get the impression you are yet again trying to persuade me to adopt one of a set of specific formulations of a statement like the interaction in the “Morality Without God” thread. For several pages I gave explanations on why I wouldn’t accept your wordings as my own, pointing out the ambiguities and self-contradictions of them. After another poster accepted them he discovered it was a bit of a ruse. We’ve done that dance a few times and I find it most uninteresting.

But thanks for offering.
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I think it’s just weird that you refuse to answer the question: does God exist? There’s yes. There’s no. There’s I don’t know.

Not sure why the obfuscation. 🤷

Can you answer the question, then: is atheism true?
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It’s been answered multiple times before. If you are curious about my personal disposition I’l refer you to one of many of the threads in which it’s been indicated.
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Your words here from your link are not a clear answer to PR’s question. I’m not sure what to think…

Do you have another post that is clearer? 🙂
In just limiting my consideration to the Abrahamic religions even if I consider Pascal’s Wager something that convinces me to go monotheistic it doesn’t provide any assistance in deciding which one of the religions or denominations. Check out Wikipedia’s list of Christian Denominations , branches of islam, or list of modern divisions of Judiasm.
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I’m not convinced by Pascal’s Wager. I had been a Christian from childhood indoctrination for the first twenty years of my life. Having already encountered information that made belief in Yahweh something that I cannot sustain I doubt that I’ll encounter something that will re-convince me to believe that a deity name Yahweh exists any more than I expect to encounter something that will re-convince me that an arctic dwelling immortal magical man named Santa Claus exists.
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PRmerger said:
I think it’s just weird that you refuse to answer the question: does God exist? There’s yes. There’s no. There’s I don’t know.

Not sure why the obfuscation. 🤷

Can you answer the question, then: is atheism true?
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After “Religion” he describes himself as a “Software Engineer.”

So the evasion began a long time ago and is not likely to end soon.
 
Charlemagne_III said:
After “Religion” he describes himself as a “Software Engineer.”

So the evasion began a long time ago and is not likely to end soon.
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It’s no evasion. You’ve been a participant in one of the threads in which that was questioned and explained. ( forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=862896&page=2 ). You’ve also been a participant in which my disposition was stated ( though it didn’t fit the categories you had in mind).

Pardon my mistakes. Sent from a mobile device.
 
Porknpie said:
Your words here from your link are not a clear answer to PR’s question. I’m not sure what to think…

Do you have another post that is clearer? 🙂
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Look for the thread titled “If you can be a good person without God then why need Him?” You can find the previous discussion there between R and myself on the existence of a god (with references to gods other than Yahweh).
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Look for the thread titled “If you can be a good person without God then why need Him?” You can find the previous discussion there between R and myself on the existence of a god (with references to gods other than Yahweh).
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TS - I read through the discussion and do not read an answer to the question:

Yes
No
I don’t know

All are permissible answers.

Did anyone start a thread on a there being a pasta god?

We could back into an answer by taking all the possible gods, eliminating them one by one, so that we are left with the True God, the alpha and omega. 😉
 
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