The first American Pope

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pnewton said:
If this were to turn into an argument over who has the best bishop, I would stand up for mine, against anyone except Peter Sartain. (regional pride vs. family pride). We do have some great Cardinal’s in the U.S.
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I’m sorry, but we only have one good Cardinal living in the US under 80. The rest are too political.
 
I believe there have been three African Popes of Rome.

Of course, the African Bishop of Alexandria used the title “Pope” centuries before the Bishop of Rome did.
 
I’d like to see a Pope from the Holy Land. Since St Peter we haven’t had one…
 
Maximilian75 said:
Actually, he’s ethnically Italian, which is white.

Additionally, Argentina is pretty heavily non-hispanic - there are a lot of European immigrants there
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People from Argentina are “Hispanic.”
Hispanic is not a race. It’s a language and culture based on Spain.

The stereotypic look of a “Hispanic” is due to a mix of Native Americans, Europeans, and African Slaves.

Brazil is filled with people who fit they typical Hispanic look, but they are not Hispanic because they speak Portuguese. If they spoke Spanish, they would be Hispanics. But they aren’t because they speak Portuguese.
 
Maximilian75 said:
I’m calling it now

The first American pope will be from the diocese of Lincoln
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IMO, as there are 4X the amount of cardinals from Italy than any other country, it is very difficult for me to think of anyone who will be made pope who isn’t from Italy, or at the very least speaks Italian. I wish the qualifications we’re different but that seems to be the case.
 
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PetraG said:
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Augustinian:
He’s an Argentine, “American” by itself refers to those of us in the United States,
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Well, within the United States, it does. Not so much in every corner of the Americas. (The name America was first applied to the southern land mass of the Western Hemisphere, not the northern, in any event.)
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The reason for that is this:

The Spanish thought they had discovered ONE continent, thus Europeans named the whole thing eventually “America.”

The English believes it was two separate continents, hence North America and South America.

The Spanish speaking nations to this day typically looks at the whole of the Americas still as one continent. That’s why the Olympics considers the Americas as one continent (why we share a ring in the flag).

But science has now proven that the English were right all along, as it is two separate contential plates.

So technically Argentinians are not “Americans” because “America” isn’t the name of the content, it’s the name of the USA.

They are “South Americans.” Just like Mexicans and Canadians are both “North Americans.”

It’s only right for the citizens of the United States of America to be called “Americans” just like the people of the United Mexican States are called Mexicans, and just like the citizens of the Argentine Republic (nick names Argentina) are called Argentinians.

BTW - when the American chose the name “America” to be part of our nation’s name; they were very close to choosing Columbia instead. But “Columbia” had more of an international identity. Cities all over the new world had places named for Columbus.

We almost became the United States of Columbia (one of the reasons they chose the name District of Columbia for our capital district)

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The first American pope is Pope Francis who is from South America.
The next pope will be either Card. Arinze or Card. Sarah.
Just my premonition.
You can call me up on it when it happens.
(flowers and candies are expected thank you 😊)
 
Mary888 said:
The next pope will be either Card. Arinze or Card. Sarah.
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Cardinal Arinze is way too old. He’s 85 now.

Cardinal Sarah doesn’t have a chance of getting elected by a college of cardinals that have been chosen by Pope Francis, who has had to reprimand and correct him several times now. He’s not viewed as a team player.

My money is on Cardinal Reinhard Marx. He’s young, and of all the cardinals, he has the clearest vision of where Pope Francis wants to take the Church.
 
Hmmm… You never know!
And it’s not people who elect the pope 😉. So… ya never know.
 
From the “As cardinals age…” article link (and this is the breakdown right now, May 2018.)

“No matter when it happens, the distribution of red hats always alters the balance of power within the College of Cardinals. At the moment, 49 cardinal electors (41 percent) have been named by Pope Francis, 52 (43 percent) appointed by Benedict XVI, and 19 (16 percent) appointed by John Paul II.No matter when it happens, the distribution of red hats always alters the balance of power within the College of Cardinals. At the moment, 49 cardinal electors (41 percent) have been named by Pope Francis, 52 (43 percent) appointed by Benedict XVI, and 19 (16 percent) appointed by John Paul II.”
 
Turkson is far more likely than Arinze or Sarah to be the next African Pope. (7/1 vs 16/1 for Sarah at oddschecker.com.) Turkson is 70 which, unlike some earlier speculation here, is close to the perfect age. It is about the age of Luciani when he became John Paul I. His quick death pushed the Cardinals to choose a very young man, 58 year old Wotyla (John Paul II). His long pontificate probably means the young Tagle will not be elected, but he still listed as the best chance at 6/1.
Ouellet from Quebec at 6/1 is probably the closest to an American Pope that we will get. O’Malley at 14/1 is up there, and has a hgh profile. Ouellet though has been head of the congregation of Bishops for many years, so he is well known by the Cardinals. His baggage is Canadian, not from the US, which is more acceptable to most, and by now, a lot is from Rome.

The odds are usually not good predictors.
 
Or, as is traditional, there is no other living Cardinal in the Diocese.
 
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