The GOP's Third Party Option

[mary_bobo]

I feel like I’ve answered this question so many times. It’s clearly rhetorical. You could Google “what has Hillary accomplished” and be flooded with answers, but if you don’t like Hillary, you won’t accept these answers. Again, I have no problem with people disliking her policies, but to act like she hasn’t accomplished many many things just doesn’t hold any intellectual weight. It weakens arguments against her.

Okay, here’s one off the top of my head. She has done so much for children and families - from her lifelong work with the children’s defense fund to her key role in expanding health care and family leave for our military families. Most people on both sides of the aisle should be able to admit that these are two very very good things. Unfortunately, my experience has been that when you point these things out to people committed to hating HRC at all costs, all you will hear is “What rubbish - she’s a baby killer!!!”

I’ll wait…

Specifics, please. What did she do with the Children’s Defense Fund? And health care? What bills did she sponsor? What legislation originated with her?

I never said she was a baby killer. I just know what the Church teaches and I will not go against that to support a woman because she is a Democrat.

 

[Path_Finder]

Specifics, please. What did she do with the Children’s Defense Fund? And health care? What bills did she sponsor? What legislation originated with her?

I never said she was a baby killer. I just know what the Church teaches and I will not go against that to support a woman because she is a Democrat.

She won the Sanger award from Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger is very controversial of course.

 

[Little_Sheep]

…I just know what the Church teaches and I will not go against that to support a woman because she is a Democrat.

I am deeply respectful of someone voting according to their spiritual beliefs. I know I do!

How do you think a 3rd Party candidate would effect Clinton or Trump’s chances of winning?

 

[GEddie]

“Beyond being carnal with a national leader”? Surely there must be a better and somewhat more delicate way of phrasing this, such as being married to the POTUS. But I do appreciate the Shakespearean tone of the writing.

Look, I know you admire Hillary, and although I don’t, I respect that.

Thanks for the comparison to Shakespeare . Writing like him is, like a bilocational body, one of my impossible dreams.

I really don’t think there is any place for nuance or delicacy in the current election cycle. This is electoral populism in its roughest form.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.

 

[jtauke]

Trump is the only hope against Hillary. The Republican party needs to put their selfishness aside and recognize that not supporting Trump is supporting Hillary.

Excuse me but that is a load of bull. I refuse to accept the premise that we HAVE to chose between a supporter of abortion and a supporter of torture.

 

[GEddie]

Excuse me but that is a load of bull. I refuse to accept the premise that we HAVE to chose to eat a pile of garbage or a pile of dog ****.

There you go.

How’d y’all like **that **for nuance???

 

[queenofheartscv]

Excuse me but that is a load of bull. I refuse to accept the premise that we HAVE to chose to eat a pile of garbage or a pile of dog ****.

This post needs to be reported to the moderator.

 

[jtauke]

This post needs to be reported to the moderator.

I’ve reworded my original statement. Point is, we shouldn’t have to pick between two terrible candidates, simply because they’re the only ones left standing from major parties.

Apologies if I offended anyone’s sensibilities.

 

[oldcelt]

I am deeply respectful of someone voting according to their spiritual beliefs. I know I do!

How do you think a 3rd Party candidate would effect Clinton or Trump’s chances of winning?

A third party run’s impact would depend on that candidate’s leanings. If Trump were to run a third party candidacy it virtually guarantees a Democrat in the White House. The opposite would occur if Clinton or Sanders were to go third party.
At this point a third party run from the GOP side seems far more likely. There will likely be a Democratic President come January 2017, at least that is my analysis of things as they exist right now,

John

 

[Path_Finder]

Excuse me but that is a load of bull. I refuse to accept the premise that we HAVE to chose between a supporter of abortion and a supporter of torture.

They aren’t moral equivalents, that’s Catholic teaching too.

 

[jtauke]

They aren’t moral equivalents, that’s Catholic teaching too.

We care so much about unborn life, but once they’re born, all bets are off, and torture is on the table.

It’s just sad that people think they’re locked into supporting either.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

We care so much about unborn life, but once they’re born, all bets are off, and torture is on the table.

It’s just sad that people think they’re locked into supporting either.

It is sad that some people feel they have to choose one over the other. The human person is sacred from conception to natural death. No one should be tortured. Torture is intrinsically evil.

Isn’t this supposed to be about the GOP’s third party option?

If Trump is the GOP nominee, I think Cruz will be the third party option. But I believe the GOP will rewrite the rules of the convention before Cleveland so Cruz can be elected on the first ballot. I believe Trump will run as an Independent. So far, though, my predictions haven’t amounted to much, as Sy can tell you! LOL Que sera, sera.

 

[Little_Sheep]

A third party run’s impact would depend on that candidate’s leanings. If Trump were to run a third party candidacy it virtually guarantees a Democrat in the White House. The opposite would occur if Clinton or Sanders were to go third party.
At this point a third party run from the GOP side seems far more likely. There will likely be a Democratic President come January 2017, at least that is my analysis of things as they exist right now,

John

Well, Sanders has already said he will not run 3rd party - that if he loses, he will support Hillary and ask that his supporters do the same. So, I wasn’t thinking about that scenario. While folks sometimes change their mind, he strikes me as a man of his word.

It seems likely that Trump will be the Republican nominee and that, perhaps, a brigade of hard grass-roots Conservatives might put up a more normal Republican on an Independent or Libertarian ticket. In that case, I agree that it looks great for the Democrats, though such a scenario may help to preserve some of the Republican seats on the down ballot.

 

[oldcelt]

Well, Sanders has already said he will not run 3rd party - that if he loses, he will support Hillary and ask that his supporters do the same. So, I wasn’t thinking about that scenario. While folks sometimes change their mind, he strikes me as a man of his word.

It seems likely that Trump will be the Republican nominee and that, perhaps, a brigade of hard grass-roots Conservatives might put up a more normal Republican on an Independent or Libertarian ticket. In that case, I agree that it looks great for the Democrats, though such a scenario may help to preserve some of the Republican seats on the down ballot.

Sounds like we are on the same page.

John

 

[mary_bobo]

I am deeply respectful of someone voting according to their spiritual beliefs. I know I do!

How do you think a 3rd Party candidate would effect Clinton or Trump’s chances of winning?

Me, personally, think it would help Hillary. At this point in time, third parties always help the Dems. Third parties will only be viable when they start at the grass roots and build from there. I don’t think you can start at the top and hope to get the big prize.

 

[SuperLuigi]

It is sad that some people feel they have to choose one over the other. The human person is sacred from conception to natural death. No one should be tortured. Torture is intrinsically evil.

Isn’t this supposed to be about the GOP’s third party option?

If Trump is the GOP nominee, I think Cruz will be the third party option. But I believe the GOP will rewrite the rules of the convention before Cleveland so Cruz can be elected on the first ballot. I believe Trump will run as an Independent. So far, though, my predictions haven’t amounted to much, as Sy can tell you! LOL Que sera, sera.

Cruz will support whoever the nominee is as he gave his word. He’s made that very clear.

So if the GOPe or conservatives like Senator Sasse want to hand this election to Hillary Clinton on a silver platter, they’ll basically have to do it without Cruz’s or my help.

 

[SuperLuigi]

=jtauke;13760794]We care so much about unborn life, but once they’re born, all bets are off,

That’s a false choice used to justify abortion. If people really “can’t afford kids” (and really, in America a lot of the poor have cell phones, X-boxes and DVD players), then the question is why are they having sex.

and torture is on the table.

It’s not off the table per se, it just can’t be compared to the non-negotiables or religious liberty. .

It’s just sad that people think they’re locked into supporting either.

Well, for me it’s always about mitigating the damage done.

If people really want to get back to reality and change the culture, I don’t think it can be from the top down.

 

[SuperLuigi]

It is sad that some people feel they have to choose one over the other. The human person is sacred from conception to natural death. No one should be tortured. Torture is intrinsically evil.

Isn’t this supposed to be about the GOP’s third party option?

If Trump is the GOP nominee, I think Cruz will be the third party option. But I believe the GOP will rewrite the rules of the convention before Cleveland so Cruz can be elected on the first ballot. I believe Trump will run as an Independent. So far, though, my predictions haven’t amounted to much, as Sy can tell you! LOL Que sera, sera.

They won’t necessarily have to rewrite the rules for Cruz. He could win this on a second ballot if Trump doesn’t hit 1237.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Me, personally, think it would help Hillary. At this point in time, third parties always help the Dems. Third parties will only be viable when they start at the grass roots and build from there. I don’t think you can start at the top and hope to get the big prize.

Absolutely no chance in the USA with 3 major candidates. When talk of Bloomberg running arose I think in 2008, someone estimated he’d have to spend $2 billion to have a real chance.

All a third party does is get the person elected one probably doesn’t really want at all.

 

[GEddie]

Absolutely no chance in the USA with 3 major candidates. When talk of Bloomberg running arose I think in 2008, someone estimated he’d have to spend $2 billion to have a real chance.

All a third party does is get the person elected one probably doesn’t really want at all.

It won’t matter for me, as I find Trump and HRC equally repulsive. Neither is getting my vote.

Really, if Americans want a realistic shot at a new party, they should start roughly eight years ahead. Given it’s been eight generations since the last time that worked, they should not expect too much too soon.

ICXC NIKA