The hypocrites in the Catholic Church

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josephdavid:
As for the Bishops hiding things… Poor management and stupid judgement.
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Of course, it isn’t at all corrupt burecracy covering up for sexual predators and knowing what they are doing.

I find it entirely truthful that most priests are good people. However, a lot of this board can’t handle the fact that some are very bad people.
 
Why do people post a topic then themselves disappear when questioned? Is it to simply start arguments and fan flames?
 
My big beef is that people are quick to point fingers and discriminate against the the Church and yet single the Church out and make it look like the devil when they forget to look at their own Protestant churches and our own school system.

It is ignorant and hypocritical.
 
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josephdavid:
My big beef is that people are quick to point fingers and discriminate against the the Church and yet single the Church out and make it look like the devil when they forget to look at their own Protestant churches and our own school system.

It is ignorant and hypocritical.
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My big beef is that many Catholics have a tendency to assign blame to everyone else. Let’s run through a quick list of the people who take the flack for the Catholic Church’s negative image and other problems and issues:

Communists
Protestants
Gays
Atheists
Hollywood
Various writers
Liberals
Muslims

I’m sure I’m missing a few. But rarely do I ever hear “You know, maybe if we Catholics would just come clean about the few bad apples and try to fix it, we could help ourselves more efficiently than spending our time assigning blame”.
 
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josephdavid:
The Church is trying to fix it. Go to the USCCB website and read.
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I may do so. But to me it sounds like many people don’t want to address the problem. They are more concerned about image. I used to get this all the time when I actually bothered to talk to local parishioners.
 
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FiremanFrank:
Wow etienne! Have you actually read the article in it’s entirety?
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ARTICLE BLUNDER #1: Most of the people that were horribly molested by the clerics were in fact older children, and were male. Therefore, it is in fact a problem having to do primarily with homosexuality.
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Wow Frank, if you knew anything about the psychological findings of the USCCBs commission on sexual abuse you would realize that homosexuality was not at the root of the problem.

ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2005d/120905/120905i.htm
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HappyCatholic01:
Why do people post a topic then themselves disappear when questioned? Is it to simply start arguments and fan flames?
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Surprise but perhaps not all people live in America and when I posted this it was evening here in France. I also happen to work during the day and now it is evening here again where I am free to post.

Besides, if you look at any number of threads here in the Catholic News section you will see that often the OP doesn’t follow up. This post just dew fire because of it’s inflamatory title and the position the article takes.
 
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EtienneGilson:
Wow Frank, if you knew anything about the psychological findings of the USCCBs commission on sexual abuse you would realize that homosexuality was not at the root of the problem.
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What is it called when two post-pubescence persons of the same sex engage in sexual acts?

(And I would not confuse this person addressing the USCCB with it being their ’ findings’)
 
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Brendan:
What is it called when two post-pubescence persons of the same sex engage in sexual acts?
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Giving fundamentalists apoplexy? 🙂
 
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EtienneGilson:
Wow Frank, if you knew anything about the psychological findings of the USCCBs commission on sexual abuse you would realize that homosexuality was not at the root of the problem.
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Wow etienne!

And if you knew how much one can really come to trust the singular findings of a USCCB “commision”, then you could actually start down the path towards knowing the Truth.

Wake up etienne my friend, wake up!
This post just dew fire because of it’s inflamatory title and the position the article takes.
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No, it drew fire because it is an extremely biased filled article, full of errors.

So please stop posting such filth here etienne.

Thank You
 
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Brendan:
What is it called when two post-pubescence persons of the same sex engage in sexual acts?

(And I would not confuse this person addressing the USCCB with it being their ’ findings’)
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That’s simple.

It’s called two people engaging in the “act of homosexuality”.

Yup, that’s what it’s called.

Nice post Brendan!
 
There are hypocrites or sinners in every walk of life, in every church and in every possible place one can hide. Human nature is such that this will never change. We can get up every day and pray to God that we walk in Christ’s path and not the devils. There will always be a temptation for people to follow Satan. Money, sex, power, addictions- all the Satanic influences will always be present. So each day we have a choice.

It was an old article and we move on.
 
The Catholic Church has a sexual abuse problem, but then so does society.

There is a worthwhile article in today’s National Catholic Register 4/5/06 on the current biased and prejudiced attempts to particularly single out the Catholic Church (i.e. Catholics) for the brunt of sexual misconduct.

That society itself has embraced the love-the-one-you’re-with instant-gratification grab-all-the-gusto-while-you-can you-only-go-around-one I’d-rather-wear-out-than-rust-out sexual revolution (which was a revolution against societal and religious standards)
is seeing the consequences.

Let’s not kid ourselves. There are lots of hypocrites out there, not just in the CC.
 
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Crumpy:
The Catholic Church has a sexual abuse problem, but then so does society.

There is a worthwhile article in today’s National Catholic Register 4/5/06 on the current biased and prejudiced attempts to particularly single out the Catholic Church (i.e. Catholics) for the brunt of sexual misconduct.

That society itself has embraced the love-the-one-you’re-with instant-gratification grab-all-the-gusto-while-you-can you-only-go-around-one I’d-rather-wear-out-than-rust-out sexual revolution (which was a revolution against societal and religious standards)
is seeing the consequences.

Let’s not kid ourselves. There are lots of hypocrites out there, not just in the CC.
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Granted, but let’s not confuse liscentiousness between 2 consenting adults with abusing a child. There is a stark line there that society as a whole (yes even the pagans and atheists) recognizes (I mean aside from NAMBLA and they’re weird and recognized as such).

Personally, I don’t care what 2 consenting adults do as long as they both live through it with their limbs intact and spare me the details. Children, however, because they do not have the faculties to make an informed decision should not be used sexually. And like I said, our society recognizes that.

And why the bishops thought that shuffling the priests was a good idea is way non-intelligible to me. And mind you, this is still not going on (the victimizing–not the shuffling ). We recently had a case in Chicago of a priest.

Has anyone done a study to see how the Roman Catholic Church stacks up against the Orthodox or the Protestants or other religions? How do priests do against teachers?
 
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josephdavid:
A continuing emphasis on the Catholic Church, when we as a society as a whole should look at the problem as a whole.

www.reformation.com

Check it out. Read, Open your eyes
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I do certainly feel sympathy for Patrick McSorley but keep in mind that he was trotted out front and center by his slithery lawyer Mitchell Garabian (sp?) during the height of the scandal here in Boston. Both of these men were in front of the camera so often that I thought they were running for political office (I know, under the circumstances probably not a funny joke). McSorley did get quite a large settlement from the Geoghen case and you wonder if he used that in less than productive ways. That being said, my prayers are with him and I hope and pray that he was able to rekindle a relationship with God before his untimely death.
 
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Liberalsaved:
My big beef is that many Catholics have a tendency to assign blame to everyone else. Let’s run through a quick list of the people who take the flack for the Catholic Church’s negative image and other problems and issues:

Communists
Protestants
Gays
Atheists
Hollywood
Various writers
Liberals
Muslims

I’m sure I’m missing a few. But rarely do I ever hear “You know, maybe if we Catholics would just come clean about the few bad apples and try to fix it, we could help ourselves more efficiently than spending our time assigning blame”.
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False dilemma.

Coming clean about the few bad apples in the Church does not mean that we should stop revealing the truth about the MSM and the fact that, in the MSM, the last acceptable prejudice is anti-Catholicism.

People who take the flack for the Catholic Church’s negative image and other problems and issues – such as [some] Communists, [some] Protestants, [some] Gays, [some] Atheists, [some] Hollywood, [some] Various writers, [some] Liberals, [some] Muslims – take the flack from forums such as this, the Catholic League, the Catholic Civil Rights League, various bishops, various Catholic journalists, because the flack-takers publish defamatory lies about the Church. Plain and simple.

So, yes, we as Catholics should always work toward correcting violations of Catholic teaching among ourselves.

But we should also work toward correcting violations of Catholic teaching among others.
 
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a_cermak:
Has anyone done a study to see how the Roman Catholic Church stacks up against the Orthodox or the Protestants or other religions?
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Pedophilia among Catholic clergy: 1%.
Pedophilia among non-Catholic clergy: 2% to 6%.
 
Ani Ibi:
False dilemma.

Coming clean about the few bad apples in the Church does not mean that we should stop revealing the truth about the MSM and the fact that, in the MSM, the last acceptable prejudice is anti-Catholicism.

People who take the flack for the Catholic Church’s negative image and other problems and issues – such as [some] Communists, [some] Protestants, [some] Gays, [some] Atheists, [some] Hollywood, [some] Various writers, [some] Liberals, [some] Muslims – take the flack from forums such as this, the Catholic League, the Catholic Civil Rights League, various bishops, various Catholic journalists, because the flack-takers publish defamatory lies about the Church. Plain and simple.

So, yes, we as Catholics should always work toward correcting violations of Catholic teaching among ourselves.

But we should also work toward correcting violations of Catholic teaching among others.
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I disagree that this is a false dilemma. I think you fail to mention that [some] Catholics are in the habit of spreading false information about all those groups.

I never defended those groups as perfect. But the fact is that even among a general populace whose favorite thing to do is not take responsibility, Catholics, and I base all this on experience, are high, albeit not highest (politicians are highest) on the list of people who like to play the blame game without ever looking inward.

The fact remains Homsoexuals do not want to distabilize the family and the Church and force decadence on the populace. Liberals do not want everyone to be able to get drive-through abortions or abolish the name of God from the public sector. These and so many other conspiracy theories, for that is what they are, save people from having to solve the internal problem. As long as they can find something to continually, eternally blame for the issues in their own sector, while at the same time being a culprit that is totally unverifiable, they can continue to push the blame off on a non-existant villain.
 
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