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Cyril
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Russian “trolls” are not as common as you think.
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on_the_hill
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Sorry—I deleted that post.
Maybe they are, maybe they’re not. It’s safe to assume that most people who disagree with me are either Russian or Macedonian trolls.
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Cyril
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The net is an impossibly big place, even if you had an army of key board corps (for lack a better term) with top of the line web spiders they could never have enough time or energy to do what you claim.
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on_the_hill
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quit ruining my fun.
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on_the_hill
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And you know what? A lot of them immigrants is Catholic! They pray to Mary! They can’t prove that they don’t, neither. They say they don’t, but I know this one guy who watched them do it once.
blackforest
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Da!!!
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Seeksadvice
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The moment Bernie allows the unwashed masses to stay in his mansion is the moment I’ll start believing him.
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philipl
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I am against immigration into this country be it with our without papers. In the past we have several limited those allowed to enter this country and we should do so against until those here assimilate into our culture.
And I agree with him.
I support merit-based immigration.
I would rather take in someone who has a skill that an employer needs who can come in on day one and contribute to the economy than someone who doesn’t.
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taribo
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can’t comment on the US but here in Scotland we haven’t seen huge numbers of migration and I think our economy is worse off for it. The more the merrier I say.
This is really key.blackforest:
My grandfather came to the United States over a hundred years ago when the country needed men with strong backs to dig coal and work in industry. He was interested in the work, it was a good match. We don’t have that kind of opportunity available now. The fewer number of jobs requiring a good back can be filled by folks already here.
The immigrants we do need are highly educated and technically skilled people.
The people who support illegal immigration "well, we were all immigrants, . . . " but there’s a big difference.
My grandparents and great-grandparents came to a burgeoning mill town where employers needed people to fill the jobs. They didn’t take jobs away from somebody else, and they sure didn’t get public assistance.
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Augustinian
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Migrants prefer to go to areas with thriving economies. If your area picks up economically, more folks will move in- regardless of whether they are from foreign nations or from elsewhere in the UK. Its a “chicken and egg” thing, migrants follow jobs, not vice versa
If that’s true (that farmers can’t legally hire enough workers to pick crops), as someone said in another recent thread, there’s already a mechanism for that, the work visa.
The people who support illegal immigration don’t like the term “open borders” and say they’re not for that.16000:
This is a strawman. Bernie Sanders doesn’t support “open borders.” And absolutely nobody has proposed removing 100% of the screening process for immigrants.
But, they support “sanctuary city” or “sanctuary state” policies, meaning that they’re opposed to enforcement of immigration policies.
blackforest
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It’s a little more complex than that. Explainer: Why can't immigrants here illegally just apply for citizenship?
Perhaps the feds should facilitate work visas for farm workers. I don’t see that happening in this climate.
Perhaps the feds should facilitate work visas for farm workers. I don’t see that happening in this climate.
blackforest
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They do favor a screening process. They just don’t favor the current screening process. Hence the sanctuary cities, where undocumented immigrants can stay safe from such nonsense as federal imprisonment.
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Augustinian
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Where would you suggest housing illegal aliens while their cases are being adjudicated?
I think that if those aliens who are charged wish to self-deport, they should be allowed to instead of sitting in the can, but really its not that outrageous.
Okay.
Maybe you’re right (the fact that there’s a cap on work visas).
But, as you suggest, the solution might be just to change the system.
On the subject of sanctuary cities, there are arguments and counterarguments.
I’ll keep it brief:
One argument for sanctuary cities is that people who are illegal immigrants who are not criminals may be afraid to report crimes (e.g., domestic violence) because they think the police would report them to ICE and they’d be reported.
According to someone talking about this recently, this doesn’t generally happen. Police are interested in crimes. They’re not interested in deporting crime victims or witnesses. They don’t want victims or witnesses to be deported in fact because they don’t want to interfere with building cases against criminals.
blackforest
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There are plenty of alternatives to putting families in cages. ACLU Fact Sheet on Alternatives to Immigration Detention (ATD) | American Civil Liberties Union
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