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ron77nyc said:
Yes. I believe the Eucharist is the real presence of Christ when received from a priest. If a Protestant minister does not believe this - if I am only receiving a symbol and just remembering what Christ has done I don’t see anything wrong with that.
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It is wrong on many levels.

First you are rejecting Christ by taking a symbol and not him.

Second you are affirming Protestant beliefs that are in error. With this affirmation they may never know the fullness of Christ. They may never take the true Eucharist and be infused by Christ. The infusion helps us to become more like him and to become holier. You may be stopping one from true revelation and salvation. Without the infusion of the Holy Spirit it is harder for one to be truly saved. Remember all that call out Christ’s name will not enter heaven.

The posts you have shown makes it appear that your conscience is not fully formed. In what appears to be your present state you may be easily convinced of errors in beliefs.

To leave Catholicism to Protestantism is to leave the fullness of Christ. It is to reject his teachings and him. This is serious. If you do not like your parish go to another. Join a small faith group. As you know I was a Protestant. They will do everything they can to convert you because they do not understand our teachings and truly believe they are helping you. They will do everything in their power to convert you. The Protestant life is not a good one. It bends like the wind. Each pastor has their own rules and salvation path. Inclusiveness is freedom to sin. Be wary as what appears as freedom today may be slavery to a sin in the future. Christ gave us laws not to inhibit; but, to guide and free us.

With this post I am truly concerned for you!
 
ron77nyc said:
Yes. I believe the Eucharist is the real presence of Christ when received from a priest. If a Protestant minister does not believe this - if I am only receiving a symbol and just remembering what Christ has done I don’t see anything wrong with that.
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But Ron why then did Jesus not say this is a symbol. Why did he make it a point to say THIS IS MY BODY? THIS IS MY BLOOD? Why did he tell us we Must receive this? And how could this be no big deal. In my eyes Ron this is not only a big deal this is the real deal! How else are we to recieve Christ the Living Christ if not through the Eucharist. Where are we to receive it if not through the Catholic Church. Through a Priest who Jesus Christ himself gave the authority. Are you kind of seeing what im saying now. What the BIG difference is. I mean do you understand Ron when you go up in a Catholic Church you are one on one with Jesus, you can get no closer than that. You are with him, in his living presense. He is there with you. He is open to you right there, And it is that Priest that Jesus gave that Power to for you and me, to receive him. See Ron thats a real big deal to me. A real big deal. We receive Jesus Christ in the Bread and Wine its really God, Do you see that? How else can we receive him Ron.
 
churchcamefirst said:
Maybe you’d be better off in a Protestant church. Why remain Catholic if so many complaints?
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John 9:34
They answered and said to him, “You were born totally in sin, and are you trying to teach us?” Then they threw him out.
 
mercygate said:
Only one of those two positions can be true. Is it the subjective belief of the minister that determines whether or not Christ is present in the eucharist? Or is there an objective truth?
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Are you saying Protestants also have the real presence?
 
rinnie said:
But Ron why then did Jesus not say this is a symbol. Why did he make it a point to say THIS IS MY BODY? THIS IS MY BLOOD? Why did he tell us we Must receive this? And how could this be no big deal. In my eyes Ron this is not only a big deal this is the real deal! How else are we to recieve Christ the Living Christ if not through the Eucharist. Where are we to receive it if not through the Catholic Church. Through a Priest who Jesus Christ himself gave the authority. Are you kind of seeing what im saying now. What the BIG difference is. I mean do you understand Ron when you go up in a Catholic Church you are one on one with Jesus, you can get no closer than that. You are with him, in his living presense. He is there with you. He is open to you right there, And it is that Priest that Jesus gave that Power to for you and me, to receive him. See Ron thats a real big deal to me. A real big deal. We receive Jesus Christ in the Bread and Wine its really God, Do you see that? How else can we receive him Ron.
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When you believe in the resurrection of Jesus it is by revelation from the Holy Spirit. At that moment the Godhead lives in you. So from then on Jesus is always in you. We receive Him by faith and He sticks closer than a brother. It is something that God Himself chose to do in us. On the other hand I know many Catholics who received baptism, communion and confirmation and yet don’t believe in the resurrection.
The Eucharist is a sacrament; an outward sign of an inner belief. It is a celebration of the life of Christ that is already in us. If I receive bread and wine in a Protestant Church Jesus is with me there also. I don’t have a problem with it. If someone thinks that’s not right I’m sure you will try give me a problem that I don’t have and don’t need. It’s been done before.
 
ron77nyc said:
It’s a jungle out there isn’t it. I know all about the false teachings of the Protestants. The Catholic Church says if a baptized Catholic leaves he loses his salvation.
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Seems as if you are being selfish, only remaining Catholic for the sake of being saved. Not good. :nope:
 
ron77nyc said:
When you believe in the resurrection of Jesus it is by revelation from the Holy Spirit. At that moment the Godhead lives in you. So from then on Jesus is always in you. We receive Him by faith and He sticks closer than a brother. It is something that God Himself chose to do in us. On the other hand I know many Catholics who received baptism, communion and confirmation and yet don’t believe in the resurrection.
The Eucharist is a sacrament; an outward sign of an inner belief. It is a celebration of the life of Christ that is already in us. If I receive bread and wine in a Protestant Church Jesus is with me there also. I don’t have a problem with it. If someone thinks that’s not right I’m sure you will try give me a problem that I don’t have and don’t need. It’s been done before.
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You cannot be a Catholic AND a Protestant my friend. It is one or the other. Your either on Jesus’s side which is the Catholic church, or your not. You cannot just pick and choose what you want to do. You are not representing me as a Catholic. Protestants DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus Real Presence is in the Eucharist. to them it is a symbol. Christ did not say “do this as a symbol of me”, but “do this in remembrance of me”. It should not sit well with you that these people feel this way sitting right next to you. I think Luther would really have liked you.
 
ron77nyc said:
Jesus said that he would not lose any that the Father gave Him. So Jesus knows who belong to Him. We are all saved by grace and not by anything else. When we stand at the judgement we are all guilty of sin and anyone who is forgiven does not deserve it.
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I don’t see how these statements relate at all to the post they were responding to above. Of course these things are all true, but what do they have to do with belonging to the Church, and being baptized?
 
mercygate said:
Only one of those two positions can be true. Is it the subjective belief of the minister that determines whether or not Christ is present in the eucharist? Or is there an objective truth?
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Oh, I disagree! The reason I do is because of the Holy Orders. Since the power to cathect the sacrament is only given through the Aposotlic Succession, those who have left it have not this ability. Therefore, when they go through the motions it is, for them, a rememberance, a symbol. It is valid for what it represents, which is a fellowship meal.
 
churchcamefirst said:
You cannot be a Catholic AND a Protestant my friend. It is one or the other. Your either on Jesus’s side which is the Catholic church, or your not. You cannot just pick and choose what you want to do. You are not representing me as a Catholic. Protestants DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus Real Presence is in the Eucharist. to them it is a symbol. Christ did not say “do this as a symbol of me”, but “do this in remembrance of me”. It should not sit well with you that these people feel this way sitting right next to you. I think Luther would really have liked you.
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I think you should sit down and have an honest talk with Catholics. The only difference between myself and many Catholics is that I’m talking about it. If I put you under a microscope I think I would find a little heretic in you also.
 
guanophore said:
I don’t see how these statements relate at all to the post they were responding to above. Of course these things are all true, but what do they have to do with belonging to the Church, and being baptized?
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What does belonging to the Church and being baptized have to do with faith? Of course we are commanded to do it but it is no guarantee of salvation. Many baptized Catholics reject Jesus and become atheists.
 
ron77nyc said:
What does belonging to the Church and being baptized have to do with faith? Of course we are commanded to do it but it is no guarantee of salvation. Many baptized Catholics reject Jesus and become atheists.
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ron77, I seriously think you need to research your church AND your faith in this church. Tell me, do you believe Jesus Christ started the Catholic church? A yes or no would suffice.
 
churchcamefirst said:
Seems as if you are being selfish, only remaining Catholic for the sake of being saved. Not good. :nope:
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Get yourself a badge and see if you can be the first member of the “Squad to root out people in the Church for selfish reasons.” You’ll find a lot bigger fish than me.
 
ron77nyc said:
I think you should sit down and have an honest talk with Catholics. The only difference between myself and many Catholics is that I’m talking about it. If I put you under a microscope I think I would find a little heretic in you also.
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**I am a Roman Catholic. There is no heresy in me whatsoever. I follow my beloved pope, the Vicar of Christ, the See to the Apostle of St.Peter. I am loyal and faithful to my church and my church only.
Do not paint me with the same brush as yourself. **
 
churchcamefirst said:
ron77, I seriously think you need to research your church AND your faith in this church. Tell me, do you believe Jesus Christ started the Catholic church? A yes or no would suffice.
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Yes.
When the Church united in Rome not all the churches joined. Do you think they will sit in the back in heaven?
 
ron77nyc said:
No. When the Church united in Rome not all the churches joined.
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If you do not feel Jesus started the Catholic church, after Scripture and Sacred Tradition tells us so, you are making a mockery of Christ and I will pray for you. You are what Christ would call a hypocrite.
What “other” churches in Rome are you talking about? How old are you?
 
churchcamefirst said:
**I am a Roman Catholic. There is no heresy in me whatsoever. I follow my beloved pope, the Vicar of Christ, the See to the Apostle of St.Peter. I am loyal and faithful to my church and my church only.
Do not paint me with the same brush as yourself. **
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My apologies. I didn’t realise I was addressing such a saint.
 
ron77nyc said:
My apologies. I didn’t realise I was addressing such a saint.
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I am far from being a saint. Even the saints were sinners. ron77, I am just saying I am a Catholic on fire for my church. If you don’t feel Jesus started the church, why are you a Catholic??
 
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