ron77nyc, I think you claimed this previously, or on another thread. Until you are invited to read what is archived at the Vatican, I think you should understand one cannot point a finger unless one has a basis for doing so. Have you read everything in the archives?
Given their many, many years of study and devotion, I think I would consider them Doctors of my spiritual health, just as I would consider an Internist the Doctor of my physical health.
It’s not my intention to destroy people’s faith in the Church or to drag the Church through the mud but my experience with the Church tells me there is something very wrong at the top. The good people at the bottom are the true followers of God.ron77nyc, I think you claimed this previously, or on another thread. Until you are invited to read what is archived at the Vatican, I think you should understand one cannot point a finger unless one has a basis for doing so. Have you read everything in the archives?
Really? I understand pretty well. Have you actually read the Documents of the Second Vatican Council? I would also suggest reading the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which is a question and answer format. It is shorter than the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Let’s not forget about keeping our eyes on the author and finisher of our faith.
The charism of infallibility does not mean impeccability. There have been many corrupt church officials, including popes. This started with our first pope, Peter, who tried to disuade Christ from His sacrificial mission, and then later denied Him in his hour of need.
One wonders what your “experience with the Church” has been. Latin was chosen as the official language of the Church back when it was the vernacular (daily language of the people). However, the vast majority of documents have been translated and put on the internet so that people like yourself, who are hostile and ignorant, can come to know the truth of what the Church teaches.dougfreed said:
I agree, there are a lot of ignorant Catholics as well. I used to be one myself, but thanks to CAF, I am starting to get over it.dougfreed said:
Nothing is lost in the Catholic Church. For the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth. She alone preserved the deposit of faith given to us by Jesus Christ.
Imagine that… A Catholic who knows the Bible sounds like a Protestant.
It is true that our separated brethren have a great passion for the Word, and many have more knowledge and experience in the study of it than Catholics. However, that is not what we observe that is “protestant” in your postings. It is an attitude that shines through.
The Church goes as far as making rules about how a married couple should enjoy their sex life and then they use the Vatican to hide criminals. Should we be angry about that? Do you think Jesus or any of the apostles and Church Fathers would approve of that. Please don’t tell me infallibility does not mean impeccability. The apostolic teachings are the Bible. It says to be doers of the Word not just hearers. It says to expose the deeds of darkness.It is true that our separated brethren have a great passion for the Word, and many have more knowledge and experience in the study of it than Catholics. However, that is not what we observe that is “protestant” in your postings. It is an attitude that shines through.
One cannot be “catholic” if one rejects the Teachings of the Church.
This is the duty of the Church. When Jesus taught that a man that looks upon a woman lustfully has already committed adultery, He made it clear that His Teachings were to be applied even to the intimacy of our sexual lives. He committed His Teachings to the Apostles, instructing them to “go and teach all that I have commanded”. The Apostles then appointed successors to carry on this teaching authority.
Well, the anger of a man does not accomplish the righteousness of God, so no, I do not think we “should be angry”. However, we are made in such a manner as to become indignant when there is a violation of justice, so yes, to that extent, we should become righteously provoked whenever criminal behavior is practiced or tolerated.
I do not think that Jesus or the Apostles approve of criminal behavior.
Some of them, are, and some of them are not. When the Scripture was written, no effort was made to include all that the Apostles taught.
You’re not even making sense anymore.
Or thinks he knows it…
If you think I don’t know the Bible then don’t blame me. Blame the Franciscan Brothers who had my complete attention for 4 years and gave me an excellent academic education but did not even suggest opening a bible.Or thinks he knows it…
You know, somehow that does not surprise me. For a person who does not accept that Jesus passed on His authority, nothing done by those who received it would make much sense.
Ok. I am down with that!
One shouldn’t blame someone else for their salvation.
Maybe you’d be better off in a Protestant church. Why remain Catholic if so many complaints?
I don’t blame them regarding my salvation. I was saved when I received Holy Communion. That’s when I first heard the Gospel preached. That’s when I had faith but didn’t know it’s importance. I blame the Brothers for not teaching the faith. I think they were confused about it also. The Protestants explained the Bible to me and explained the importance of faith in Christ.