The Insidious Creeping of the Gay Movement

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Yes. Please read the Catechism before you say such things.

which part of the Catechism?? and before I say what things?
did I miss the part on same-sex unions in the CCC?? Must of:shrug:

CCC2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

CCC2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

CCC2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection

 

[Filius99993]

which part of the Catechism?? and before I say what things?
did I miss the part on same-sex unions in the CCC?? Must of:shrug:

CCC2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

CCC2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

CCC2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection

No, I was AGREEING with you… I was talking about the NewUlm guy… but thank you for backing me up!

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

No, I was AGREEING with you… I was talking about the NewUlm guy… but thank you for backing me up!

 

[Elric]

I’m curious as to why you are so pro-homosexual.

Are you also pro-Christian?

I am not “so pro-homosexual”, I dont really know how you can jump to such a conclusion.

I am not really “pro” anything, except pro-my family and pro-Arsenal. Where do these conclusions come from?

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

There is no difference between the two. You can be a good Catholic or Christian and still have a same-gender partner and be in good standing. There is no conflict when you look at the entire person.

Gee, sorry to burst your little Utopian bubble, but you can’t.

Plain, simple, end of story. The truth does not change because you want it to.

 

[Elric]

What about 3 consenting adults? Or 7 consenting adults? How about 4 consenting adults, a duck and a doberman?

How about a consenting set of identical twin sisters? What about two consenting adults that plan on exchanging cash after their ‘transaction’?

They are really topics for another thread and are not relevent to the comment that I made, please dont twist my comments like that. You know that I wasnt suggesting anything like that.

We ARE our brothers keepers.

Perhaps you should look at yourself first.

 

[Elric]

Precisely.

When people do those things, they MAKE it our businesses.

Fantastic. Maybe you should start a thread about those things where it would be on topic.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Fantastic. Maybe you should start a thread about those things where it would be on topic.

I’m still not sure why you’re pushing the homosexual agenda. Perhaps you could explain, without resorting to wounded howls of “Persecution!”

 

[Elric]

I’m still not sure why you’re pushing the homosexual agenda.

I am not pushing the homosexual “agenda”, where do these asertions come from?

It appears that because I dont agree with your paranoid idea of “homosexual world domination” that I must be “pro-homosexual” and I am pushing some “agenda”.

Perhaps you could explain, without resorting to wounded howls of “Persecution!”

Nice, real nice.

Well I am not going to re-write my previous posts, perhaps you should actually try to read them. Instead of selective words, have a go at the whole thing.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I am not pushing the homosexual “agenda”, where do these asertions come from?

Possibly from your ceaseless lamentations that the poor, misunderstood homosexuals are being persecuted by normal people.

 

[Elric]

Possibly from your ceaseless lamentations that the poor, misunderstood homosexuals are being persecuted by normal people.

Oh more vague generalisations, thats real helpful.

Are you able to be specific at all about anything?

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Oh more vague generalisations, thats real helpful.

Are you able to be specific at all about anything?

Dunno.

Are you able to understand that we are NOT to be tolerant of sin and perversion, in any way, shape or form?

 

[iamrefreshed]

There is no difference between the two. You can be a good Catholic or Christian and still have a same-gender partner and be in good standing. There is no conflict when you look at the entire person.

For us catholics there IS a difference. Since you are not a practicing catholic, your opinion does not reflect our beliefs.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Irrelevant extrapolation. The discussion is about treating people who have and lovingly act on their same-gender preferences, which should be with loving personal respect towards them. They are no lesser people because of their sexual preference.

Is is relevant. Unless of course you are pushing YOUR morals down everyone else’s throat.

Are you defining ‘lovingly’ for the threesome? Who are you to judge?

I guess those situatuions make you uncomfortable? Why are you afraid?

It’s your slippery slope, slide on it!

 

[iamrefreshed]

They are really topics for another thread and are not relevent to the comment that I made, please dont twist my comments like that. You know that I wasnt suggesting anything like that.

Perhaps you should look at yourself first.

Everyone who is pro-homosexual seems to think they are topics for another thread. I guess the comparisons strike close to home:shrug:

I do look at myself first. But thanks for the typical ‘cast the first stone’ and ‘mote in my eye’ comment. They are typical of one who continues to condone the sinful acts of our brothers and sisters. Real charity requires us to do otherwise.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

For us catholics there IS a difference. Since you are not a practicing catholic, your opinion does not reflect our beliefs.

No, actually many Catholics feel as I do. To show compassion and not look at them as a lesser person for same gender preferences does not make one any less “Catholic”. Catholics are a diverse group of people when you look at all of them.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Is is relevant. Unless of course you are pushing YOUR morals down everyone else’s throat.

Are you defining ‘lovingly’ for the threesome? Who are you to judge?

I guess those situatuions make you uncomfortable? Why are you afraid?

It’s your slippery slope, slide on it!

They are everyones’ “morals”. This is not a matter of being “afraid” or not, each one of us is a reflection of God. People with same-gender preferences are no less people than the rest of us. It is not a defining personal characteristic. They can be and are holy, loving, Catholics, Christians, and whatever religion or non-religion they may belong to.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

There is no difference between the two. ** You can be a good Catholic or Christian and still have a same-gender partner and be in good standing.** There is no conflict when you look at the entire person.

Can you explain the bolded part (this is what many of us replied to in our posts).

 

[Elric]

Everyone who is pro-homosexual seems to think they are topics for another thread. I guess the comparisons strike close to home:shrug:

For starters, I am not pro-homosexual.

Having sex with animals, incestual relations, prostitution and participating in orgies are topics for another thread. These comments come from you trying to twist my words, please dont do that because it is dishonest.

I do look at myself first. But thanks for the typical ‘cast the first stone’ and ‘mote in my eye’ comment.

Well I think that you might need reminding after doing what you did.

They are typical of one who continues to condone the sinful acts of our brothers and sisters. Real charity requires us to do otherwise.

I dont condone or condemn, I am not their judge.

 

[Elric]

Dunno.

Are you able to understand that we are NOT to be tolerant of sin and perversion, in any way, shape or form?

So you are not able to be specific.

Making vague accusations doesnt really help in any way. From what you have written it seems that you are not tolerant of the person and are unable to seperate that from the act.

I dont think that there is much point to us continuing this discussion, because it isnt going anywhere.