The Insidious Creeping of the Gay Movement

[iamrefreshed]

No, actually many Catholics feel as I do. To show compassion and not look at them as a lesser person for same gender preferences does not make one any less “Catholic”. Catholics are a diverse group of people when you look at all of them.

Then, by definition, they are NOT catholic as they oppose official catholic teaching.

You can’t pick and choose what you like/dislike about the catholic faith.

Sorry if you don’t like that.

 

[iamrefreshed]

They are everyones’ “morals”. , and whatever religion or non-religion they may belong

No, they are not ‘everyone’s morals’. There is no such thing as 100% moral agreement.

They may be yours and mine but not ‘everyones’.

Whether you like it or not YOU are enforcing a moral code. Who are you to pick and choose when you tell me I can’t?

 

[iamrefreshed]

For starters, I am not pro-homosexual.

Having sex with animals, incestual relations, prostitution and participating in orgies are topics for another thread. These comments come from you trying to twist my words, please dont do that because it is dishonest.

They are part of the slippery slope you are standing on. If you are uncomfortable with the comparison fine. As far as your not being pro-homosexual that is vague since below you are neither for nor against. I guess you are ‘undecided’?

Well I think that you might need reminding after doing what you did.

I think I’ll leave that to someone who follows catholic teaching. But thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

I dont condone or condemn, I am not their judge.

Then you don’t help. Do you condone or condemn other catholic teachings such as ABC, euthanasia or the death penalty?

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

This, from Catholicism 101, says it all:

"A Catholic monk who heard ex-Communist Bella Dodd speak at Fordham University in the 1950s had this to say:

I listened to that woman for four hours and she had my hair standing on end. Everything she said has been fulfilled to the letter. You would think she was the world’s greatest prophet, but she was no prophet. She was merely exposing the step-by-step battle plan of Communist subversion of the Catholic Church. She explained that of all the world’s religions, the Catholic Church was the only one feared by the Communists, for it was its only effective opponent.

The whole idea was to destroy, not the institution of the Church, but rather the Faith of the people, and even use the institution of the Church, if possible, to destroy the Faith through the promotion of a pseudo-religion: something that resembled Catholicism but was not the real thing.

Once the Faith was destroyed, she explained that there would be a guilt complex introduced into the Church…. to label the ‘Church of the past’ as being oppressive, authoritarian, full of prejudices, arrogant in claiming to be the sole possessor of truth, and responsible for the divisions of religious bodies throughout the centuries. This would be necessary in order to shame Church leaders into an ‘openness to the world,’ and to a more flexible attitude toward all religions and philosophies. The Communists would then exploit this openness in order to undermine the Church.
In the human element of our Church, we are seeing the results of this infiltration coupled with the effects of the pressures of secular materialism and sheer hedonism in the popular culture."

You see, there IS only ONE truth. And it does not change, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Elric]

They are part of the slippery slope you are standing on.

What slippery slope?

If you are uncomfortable with the comparison fine.

Its really not a matter of being comfortable or uncomfortable, its a matter of their relevence to the topic at hand as well as to the commment that you attached them to. I will ask you again to stop twisting my words.

As far as your not being pro-homosexual that is vague since below you are neither for nor against. I guess you are ‘undecided’?

Its not vague at all nor is it “undecided”. I am tollerent of homosexuals and I agree that they get poor treatment in some situations/ways.

Just because I agree that homosexuals should not lose their job just for being gay, doesnt mean that I am pro-homosexual. I also think that Asians shouldnt lose their jobs just for being Asian, same with muslims ect. They are all human beings and should be treated as such.

I think I’ll leave that to someone who follows catholic teaching. But thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

It is quite sad when a non-cathloic reminds you of your own beliefs isnt it?

Then you don’t help.

Dont help with what, reminding that homosexuals are human beings?

Do you condone or condemn other catholic teachings such as ABC, euthanasia or the death penalty?

Relevence?

We are not discussing the rights and wrongs of cathloic teachings.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

What slippery slope?

We are not discussing the rights and wrongs of cathloic teachings.

Yeah. We are.

Short answer: they’re right.

 

[Elric]

Yeah. We are.

Short answer: they’re right.

Mate, you are not contributing anything at all and you are simply trying to provoke me (for what ever reason). I am really not interested in a trolling match with you.

So could you please stop with this nonsense and dont misquote me.

 

[Sheeniac]

No, actually many Catholics feel as I do. To show compassion and not look at them as a lesser person for same gender preferences does not make one any less “Catholic”. Catholics are a diverse group of people when you look at all of them.

New Ulm, feelings don’t make a Catholic. Belief in what the Church teaches is one of the primary means of being a Catholic.

BTW - no one is saying we shouldn’t show compassion, etc. Stop with the strawmen!

 

[iamrefreshed]

It is quite sad when a non-cathloic reminds you of your own beliefs isnt it?

Oh, now I understand. A non-catholic who holds different beliefs is going to teach me how to be catholic?

Thanks for the attempt but I’m fully aware of ‘how to be catholic’. I hate the sin, not the sinner. If your belief is to love both then we differ.

We are not discussing the rights and wrongs of cathloic teachings.

Yeah, we are. You’re the only one not doing so.

 

[Elric]

Oh, now I understand. A non-catholic who holds different beliefs is going to teach me how to be catholic?

No that isnt it.

Thanks for the attempt but I’m fully aware of ‘how to be catholic’. I hate the sin, not the sinner. If your belief is to love both then we differ.

Actually that wasnt what I was refering to. I was refering to your continued insistence on twisting what I stated, it is an act of dishonesty and it shows a lack of charity especally when you have to be asked several times not to do it.

Yeah, we are. You’re the only one not doing so.

Please dont twist what I say, you know full well my response was in answer to you asking me about other cathloic teachings that are not relevent to this topic. There is really no need for that.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Let’s twist again
Like we did last summer
Let’s twist again
Like we did last year…

 

[Elric]

So are we going to get back to the topic, or just continue like this (which isnt going anywhere)?

 

[Robert_Bay]

Thread Closed

Thank you to everyone who participated