The Invisible Crisis: Small Children Crossing the US Border on Their Own

[Tomdstone]

It wasn’t the Mexican’s land to begin with. It’s like one thief complaining another thief stole from them.

So it was all right for the USA to kill 60,000 Mexicans and take the land that belonged to Mexico at that time? And it was all right for the white Europeans to kill thousands of American Indians and steal their land from them? Many of these immigrant children have American Indian blood in them and as such, the USA has no right to expel American Indians from their land.
Obama has complained about Russia annexing Crimea, which was historically Russian territory, but there is no indication that he wants to give back the much greater amount of land which was stolen from Mexico so that these immigrants can get a fair shake on land which should belong to Mexico and not to the USA.

 

[AClaire11]

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/01/medical-staff-warned-keep-quiet-about-illegal-immigrants-or-face-arrest/

A government-contracted security force threatened to arrest doctors and nurses if they divulged any information about the contagion threat at a refugee camp housing illegal alien children at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, sources say.

A worrying update…No matter your stance on whether the children should stay or go, this is disturbing.

 

[Dawnia]

So it was all right for the USA to kill 60,000 Mexicans and take the land that belonged to Mexico at that time? And it was all right for the white Europeans to kill thousands of American Indians and steal their land from them? Many of these immigrant children have American Indian blood in them and as such, the USA has no right to expel American Indians from their land.
Obama has complained about Russia annexing Crimea, which was historically Russian territory, but there is no indication that he wants to give back the much greater amount of land which was stolen from Mexico so that these immigrants can get a fair shake on land which should belong to Mexico and not to the USA.

Right or wrong, 160 years after the fact, it’s a pointless discussion. It happened, suck it up. The US paid $15 million to Mexico for that land. They could have just taken it and a lot more without paying Mexico a dime.

 

[Tomdstone]

Right or wrong, 160 years after the fact, it’s a pointless discussion. It happened, suck it up. The US paid $15 million to Mexico for that land. They could have just taken it and a lot more without paying Mexico a dime.

It is not pointless to those who have lost loved ones. 60,000 Mexicans killed by the USA in order to grab this land at a ridiculous price. $15 million dollars would perhaps buy one or two large apartments in New York City, but little else. The amount of land grabbed by the USA was enormous. If it is pointless to talk about land illegally annexed by Americans, why did we hear so much chatter when Russia annexed the much much smaller area of Crimea, and that was with a vote of the people there? Further, the Russians did not kill 60,000 people to annex Crimea. This is relevant to the discussion, because many of these child immigrants have either Mexican or American indian blood and therefore have more right to be in Arizona and new Mexico or in Catlifornia than the Americans with European ancestry have. It is not pointless when you are speaking about the 10 commandments and the fact that it is wrong to kill and to take what does not belong to you. I don’t think that moral values are pointless.

 

[Monkey1976]

It is not pointless to those who have lost loved ones. 60,000 Mexicans killed by the USA in order to grab this land at a ridiculous price. $15 million dollars would perhaps buy one or two large apartments in New York City, but little else. The amount of land grabbed by the USA was enormous. If it is pointless to talk about land illegally annexed by Americans, why did we hear so much chatter when Russia annexed the much much smaller area of Crimea, and that was with a vote of the people there? Further, the Russians did not kill 60,000 people to annex Crimea. This is relevant to the discussion, because many of these child immigrants have either Mexican or American indian blood and therefore have more right to be in Arizona and new Mexico or in Catlifornia than the Americans with European ancestry have. It is not pointless when you are speaking about the 10 commandments and the fact that it is wrong to kill and to take what does not belong to you. I don’t think that moral values are pointless.

• There were 16,000 Mexican casualties in that war, not 60,000.
• The opening conflict was a Mexican attack on Fort Texas. This fort was manned by Americans under orders to defend Texas from Mexican forces looking to invade the Republic of Texas so as to prevent its annexation - which Texas had requested - by the United States.
• Any Mexican claim on these lands was tenuous at best, as the bulk of the population was either Amerind or American, not Mexican.
• Mexico relinquished all claims by not only ratifying the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, but also through the Gadsden Purchase, which permanently set the border.
• The Louisiana Purchase (over 800,000 sq.mi.) was made for $15 million as well. The land which Mexico agreed to no longer claim under the treaty was only 525,000 sq. mi., and the same price was paid. Alaska (~660,000 sq.mi.) was purchased for only $7.2 million. Even if we include the Republic of Texas, that only brings the size to ~750,000 sq. mi.

I grew up in Arizona. I’ve heard all of the lies you’re claiming before. If you have any claims which don’t come the “Aztlan” movement’s playbook, feel free to start a new thread.

 

[Tomdstone]

• There were 16,000 Mexican casualties in that war, not 60,000.
• The opening conflict was a Mexican attack on Fort Texas. This fort was manned by Americans under orders to defend Texas from Mexican forces looking to invade the Republic of Texas so as to prevent its annexation - which Texas had requested - by the United States.
• Any Mexican claim on these lands was tenuous at best, as the bulk of the population was either Amerind or American, not Mexican.
• Mexico relinquished all claims by not only ratifying the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, but also through the Gadsden Purchase, which permanently set the border.
• The Louisiana Purchase (over 800,000 sq.mi.) was made for $15 million as well. The land which Mexico agreed to no longer claim under the treaty was only 525,000 sq. mi., and the same price was paid. Alaska (~660,000 sq.mi.) was purchased for only $7.2 million. Even if we include the Republic of Texas, that only brings the size to ~750,000 sq. mi.

I grew up in Arizona. I’ve heard all of the lies you’re claiming before. If you have any claims which don’t come the “Aztlan” movement’s playbook, feel free to start a new thread.

The American Joshua Giddings said that the war against Mexico was “an aggressive, unholy, and unjust war,” and: “In the murder of Mexicans upon their own soil, or in robbing them of their country, I can take no part either now or hereafter. The guilt of these crimes must rest on others. I will not participate in them.”
If this land does not rightly belong to the Europeans who were the ancestors of the present Americans, then the children who are immigrating to these lands of Arizona, New Mexico and California have more right to be there than those who illegally occupy these lands now.

 

[Monkey1976]

The American Joshua Giddings said that the war against Mexico was “an aggressive, unholy, and unjust war,” and: “In the murder of Mexicans upon their own soil, or in robbing them of their country, I can take no part either now or hereafter. The guilt of these crimes must rest on others. I will not participate in them.”

And a politician never lies, especially when making a speech. Rep. Giddings was an ardent opponent of slavery - a noble position - to the extent that he advocated violent uprisings by slaves (somewhat less noble). When he spoke against the Mexican War, he was trying to limit the number of potential slave territories that would be added to the United States. What he neglected to mention was that Britain was entertaining the idea of purchasing the very same territories from Mexico to act as a check on the United States.

If this land does not rightly belong to the Europeans who were the ancestors of the present Americans, then the children who are immigrating to these lands of Arizona, New Mexico and California have more right to be there than those who illegally occupy these lands now.

As opposed to the Spanish who originally conquered some of these lands from the Amerind tribes and nations? The Mexican government sees no claim to these lands, and hasn’t since 1854. There was no “claim” on these lands by any Latino movements until the 1960s - that is, once they had infrastructure, developed resources, and economies that rival some nations. The modern “reconquista” - based on the mistaken belief that Aztlan is north of the Rio Grande - is mostly supported by such groups as the Mexican Nationalist Front (a neo-Nazi-esque organization where Latinos take the place of Aryans in the Nazi philosophy), MEChA - a student group which took heavy inspiration from the Cuban revolutionaries and uses race-baiting and the promotion of a permanent victimhood status, and the La Raza movement, based on a Latino-superiority philosophy similar to the KKK’s white-superiority philosophy. Which of these illustrious, historically accurate, and not-at-all biased groups is your source?

 

[Dawnia]

It is not pointless to those who have lost loved ones. 60,000 Mexicans killed by the USA in order to grab this land at a ridiculous price. $15 million dollars would perhaps buy one or two large apartments in New York City, but little else. The amount of land grabbed by the USA was enormous. If it is pointless to talk about land illegally annexed by Americans, why did we hear so much chatter when Russia annexed the much much smaller area of Crimea, and that was with a vote of the people there? Further, the Russians did not kill 60,000 people to annex Crimea. This is relevant to the discussion, because many of these child immigrants have either Mexican or American indian blood and therefore have more right to be in Arizona and new Mexico or in Catlifornia than the Americans with European ancestry have. It is not pointless when you are speaking about the 10 commandments and the fact that it is wrong to kill and to take what does not belong to you. I don’t think that moral values are pointless.

It is pointless. Those lands are part of the US. Get over it. It’s not going to change.

 

[Tomdstone]

It is pointless. Those lands are part of the US. Get over it. It’s not going to change.

How do you know for sure that there will never be a change in the future? This is an unsupported opinion on your part. Your opinion is contradicted by events in history because there have been many changes in borders of countries. The number of Hispanics in the United States as of July 1, 2012, was 53,000,000 making them the largest ethnic or racial minority in the USA. Hispanics constituted 17 percent of the nation’s total population. in 2012. The projected Hispanic population of the United States in 2060 is 130,000,000 or more than double the present population. According to this projection, the Hispanic population will constitute 31 percent of the nation’s population by that date. 65% of Hispanics are of Mexican origin. As the number of people of Mexican origin increases, and the number of Spanish speaking people increases, to reach a big majority in some states, it is not inconceivable that you could see a change. After all, didn’t the people of Crimea recently vote to be allied with their home country of Russia? The borders have changed there. Actually, there have been many changes in borders in Europe just in the last 70 years. Why is it impossible that there will never be a change in the future borders of North America? Especially as you consider the fact that the demographics are predicted to change drastically and perhaps even faster than the current predictions because of the large number of children coming in over the border. I don’t see these number of immigrants decreasing. I suspect that as long as Americans continue their use of illegal drugs, there will be drug cartels in central and south America and as the violence and terror continues, more and more children will seek to avoid being kidnapped and dragged into a life of crime. Don’t some famous Americans even admit to having used cocaine and other illegal drugs and never have been penalized for it?

 

[GaryTaylor]

People are fed up in these border areas.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desertsun.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2014%2F07%2F01%2Fimmigrant-transfer-el-centro-murrieta%2F11904351%2F&ei=6s6zU_r6K5aOqAbLhoHQCg&usg=AFQjCNF2dbbxl-WDsaeB-oHD_OnsI6OLlw&bvm=bv.70138588,d.b2k

“Ultimately, the root cause of our crisis is President Obama’s failure to enforce our immigration laws. Immigrants illegally entering the U.S. in (Texas) are literally walking up to CBP officers looking to be detained, knowing that the current U.S. policy is to simply release them. I am convinced that unless we fundamentally change our approach, the crisis will only grow larger.”

 

[Dawnia]

How do you know for sure that there will never be a change in the future? This is an unsupported opinion on your part. Your opinion is contradicted by events in history because there have been many changes in borders of countries. The number of Hispanics in the United States as of July 1, 2012, was 53,000,000 making them the largest ethnic or racial minority in the USA. Hispanics constituted 17 percent of the nation’s total population. in 2012. The projected Hispanic population of the United States in 2060 is 130,000,000 or more than double the present population. According to this projection, the Hispanic population will constitute 31 percent of the nation’s population by that date. 65% of Hispanics are of Mexican origin. As the number of people of Mexican origin increases, and the number of Spanish speaking people increases, to reach a big majority in some states, it is not inconceivable that you could see a change. After all, didn’t the people of Crimea recently vote to be allied with their home country of Russia? The borders have changed there. Actually, there have been many changes in borders in Europe just in the last 70 years. Why is it impossible that there will never be a change in the future borders of North America? Especially as you consider the fact that the demographics are predicted to change drastically and perhaps even faster than the current predictions because of the large number of children coming in over the border. I don’t see these number of immigrants decreasing. I suspect that as long as Americans continue their use of illegal drugs, there will be drug cartels in central and south America and as the violence and terror continues, more and more children will seek to avoid being kidnapped and dragged into a life of crime. Don’t some famous Americans even admit to having used cocaine and other illegal drugs and never have been penalized for it?

Wishful thinking on your part.

 

[zz912]

It is not pointless to those who have lost loved ones. 60,000 Mexicans killed by the USA in order to grab this land at a ridiculous price. $15 million dollars would perhaps buy one or two large apartments in New York City, but little else. The amount of land grabbed by the USA was enormous. If it is pointless to talk about land illegally annexed by Americans, why did we hear so much chatter when Russia annexed the much much smaller area of Crimea, and that was with a vote of the people there? Further, the Russians did not kill 60,000 people to annex Crimea. This is relevant to the discussion, because many of these child immigrants have either Mexican or American indian blood and therefore have more right to be in Arizona and new Mexico or in Catlifornia than the Americans with European ancestry have. It is not pointless when you are speaking about the 10 commandments and the fact that it is wrong to kill and to take what does not belong to you. I don’t think that moral values are pointless.

Why are you pretending that Mexicans are or were a monolithic group who didn’t acquire that land in the same manner? Do you think it was cupcakes and lollipops before the Europeans landed here?

All land everywhere was conquered and controlled through violence and war. Singling out the southwest US is just silly. We fought and won the war, and in the first time in human history, we actually still paid for land we conquered.

Get some real history.

 

[Tigg]

People are fed up in these border areas.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desertsun.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2014%2F07%2F01%2Fimmigrant-transfer-el-centro-murrieta%2F11904351%2F&ei=6s6zU_r6K5aOqAbLhoHQCg&usg=AFQjCNF2dbbxl-WDsaeB-oHD_OnsI6OLlw&bvm=bv.70138588,d.b2k

“Ultimately, the root cause of our crisis is President Obama’s failure to enforce our immigration laws. Immigrants illegally entering the U.S. in (Texas) are literally walking up to CBP officers looking to be detained, knowing that the current U.S. policy is to simply release them. I am convinced that unless we fundamentally change our approach, the crisis will only grow larger.”

Because the amnesty issue is so volatile, I pray we don’t have to witness American citizens being jailed for trying to do the job of government, which it refuses to do. Such an ugly situation and there’s bound to be some violence (and racism involved.)

 

[GaryTaylor]

While they are arguing over Congress doing something and the President threatening to do something, they both agree on the need to dispatch more border patrol agents as well as the national guard.

 

[Tigg]

And now the 1st Amendment:

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/02/medical-staff-warned-keep-quiet-about-illegal-immigrants-or-face-arrest/

 

[Tigg]

This was just e-mailed to me by an on-line Catholic friend. Looks like a crisis beginning within the crisis:

Transcript of Rush Limbaugh show:

ANN: We live in Southern California, and we’re Catholic, active Catholics in our community, and there was a town hall meeting last evening, emergency meeting called by our local parish priest, ordered by our bishop (unintelligible) and the Archdiocese of San Bernardino. They have made the decision that they’re going to absorb the immigrants that are coming through because the federal government called the bishop’s office on Monday and they’re gonna be busing these immigrants to our communities and asking us to open our homes and to house them for up to a month.

snip

RUSH: … Ann, I want to clarify. Did you say that it is the Catholic Church that the government called and asked for assistance?

ANN: Yes.

RUSH: Okay. And then the Catholic Church accepted and said, “Okay, we will,” at least the Catholic Church in your town. You haven’t identified where you’re from.

ANN: Yes.

RUSH: And then the bishop has asked you and the other parishioners to help pay for this, but you are not supposed to tell anybody this, which you’ve just done.

ANN: Yes. That’s what they asked us, not to get the media involved. The diocese will reimburse us for any out-of-pocket expenses.

snip

RUSH: Now, wait. Because you’re gonna be asked to house some of them yourself?

ANN: Yes.

RUSH: Are you going to?

ANN: No. That’s why I’m calling. I’m letting people know this is not in the best interests. We have a FEMA – at Norton Air Force Base is a designated FEMA camp. This is an emergency. They need to go there.

rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/07/08/stunning_california_couple_says_they_were_asked_to_house_immigrant_children

Thoughts anyone? Really…is it in the interests of the common good to expose your household (including your own children) to these diseases?

 

[Julianna]

“it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.”
“Are there no prisons?”
“Plenty of prisons…”
“And the Union workhouses.”

. “Are they still in operation?”
“Both very busy, sir…”
“Those who are badly off must go there.”

This was just e-mailed to me by an on-line Catholic friend. Looks like a crisis beginning within the crisis:

Thoughts anyone? Really…is it in the interests of the common good to expose your household (including your own children) to these diseases?

I’ve had my shots and so have my kids. Funny thing is…my grandfather came to this country at age 15 from Italy in the early 1900’s. I dont recall his relativez who sponsored him asking for a shot record. I suggest you refrain from any Catholic missionary work…you might catch something. And we wonder why there is huge shift from the Catholic faith to evangelical fundy faiths among Hispanics. Really?

 

[Tomdstone]

Thoughts anyone? Really…is it in the interests of the common good to expose your household (including your own children) to these diseases?

Yes. because Jesus said to love your neighbor. Following His divine command, we must help those who cannot help themselves. If it is not feasible to take them into our homes, then we should help in some other way.
Mattehw 25: " [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me. "

 

[Dawnia]

This was just e-mailed to me by an on-line Catholic friend. Looks like a crisis beginning within the crisis:

Thoughts anyone? Really…is it in the interests of the common good to expose your household (including your own children) to these diseases?

I read about this a while ago. I think each family has to consider the risks for themselves. For a family with young children who aren’t fully vaccinated, it wouldn’t be a very wise idea. But, other than that, it shouldn’t be too much of a big deal. It looks like the government isn’t going to do anything about them. It’s better they get in with a good family than used by gangs or trafficers.

 

[Tigg]

I’ve had my shots and so have my kids. Funny thing is…my grandfather came to this country at age 15 from Italy in the early 1900’s. I dont recall his relativez who sponsored him asking for a shot record. I suggest you refrain from any Catholic missionary work…you might catch something. And we wonder why there is huge shift from the Catholic faith to evangelical fundy faiths among Hispanics. Really?

You know what? My husband’s relatives also came over on the boat from Italy as well as my Dad and stayed at Ellis Island where their name was changed from their native tongue to something more “American.” They were *processed! * And please don’t dare to judge Catholics who #1.) know the *authentic *social justice teaching of the Church including all the tenets, and practice their faith in charity and 2.) see the clear and present danger of a country they love being thrown to the wolves because of political ideology and outright deception. I will pray that the spirit of discernment come upon you.