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But you don’t. When I raised the exceptions your church has, you said that means that they don’t have any.
That’s pretty much under the category of ‘cover-up’.
I’ve also asked which is the definitive list of exceptions.
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I would be closer to the harlots that will go to heaven, that is true.
Actually, it was the Lord who said that, referring to the Pharisees. I applied it to you because you display the same traits as they do.
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That is not true. I didn’t say that. I said that the LDS Church disapproves of abortion, period. That covers 99% of the cases that in practice may arise. The exceptions are extremely rare, and designed to protect the health and safety of the mother.
Try this link. Click on “Additional information” to expand, and see a definitive list of exceptions.
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Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion
And then they go on to contradict the above statement.
*Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer. SOURCE *
So is the LDS Church really against abortion 100% or not? It would seem not!
And then they go on to contradict the above statement.
*Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer. SOURCE *
So is the LDS Church really against abortion 100% or not? It would seem not!
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The exceptions are extremely rare, and designed to protect the health and safety of the mother.
How are any of these things a danger to a mothers health?
such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, or when the** fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth**.
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Have you even read this entire thread?? Zerinus has tried to make the claim that Catholics do not value a mother’s life as much the unborn child. It has been explained over and over by many others that this is not true, yet he remains unmoved by that and has resorted to outright insults.
If that does not fit his description of religious fanatic, then what does??
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Who needs an abortion is relevant to our discussion as the entire thread is hinged on it. As a faithful Mormon, haven’t you decided that 99% of the women who have abortions don’t need them? Is that a medical decision or a moral one?
We may use medical information as a factor in making moral choices. When we divorce medical factors from spiritual ones though, we end up with the abortion mess that plagues modern society. The medical profession has decided-abortion on demand is the standard.
Do Mormons protest the overwhelming majority of abortions they believe to be immoral? Do Mormons protest poor and inadequate health care in Nicaragua and the rest of the world? I hear no protests.
Is this Mormonism?
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It endangers their emotional and spiritual health (which can have a physical side effects).How are any of these things a danger to a mothers health?
such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, or when the** fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth**.
Why do you deny women abortions when it obviously endanger their physical health?
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WHAT?
So having a deformed baby is now life threating?
Zerinus you are one sick puppy!
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Who needs an abortion is relevant to our discussion; but neither of us have the necessary medical training to make that decision. That decision must be left to competent medical practitioners; and we must be willing to accept their judgments.
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First of all it does not say “deformed baby”. It says that the baby “will not survive beyond birth”. Those are two different things. Secondly, that is a special case that is decided in the interest of the baby as well as the mother. “Safeguarding the spiritual and emotional health of the mother” relates more specifically to the cases rape and incest.
You are deranged my friend. Go to bed.
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Sorry Z, you are the one (along with your cult) that is deranged when you condone (as you are currently doing)the murder of innocent defenseless children!
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Who decides Z what is in the best interest of the mother? from your LDS links it is the person seeking the abortion that decides
Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer
so any LDS woman can seek an abortion if she wants one all she has to do is pray?!
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Why is Gordon B. Hinkley so quick to speak against abortion? Has he the medical training to condemn the actions of the many doctors who advise abortion? If competent medical practitioners should be left to decide, hadn’t loudmouths like Gordon B. Hinkley and Pope Benedict XVI better be quiet in their unnecessary defence of the unborn?
How many abortions are done by competent doctors in the U.S. every year? That’s an awfully high number of “exceptional cases”, yet you seem quite willing to accept their judgements.
zerinus, you and I both know we’re aborting the next generation into oblivion (below replacement numbers in some areas), all on the watch of competent medical practitioners. What doctors (and mothers) who contemplate abortion need is the light of Christ. That, ideally, is what people of faith bring to the equation.
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Either you are deliberately distorting what I believe and say, in which case I have no interest in discussing the subject any further with you; or else you are utterly incapable of understanding what I believe and say, in which case any further discussion of the subject with you would be pointless.
Have a nice day.
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Birth Defects on Rise in China Province
Shanxi is one of China’s most heavily polluted regions, mainly as a result of mining and the use of high-sulfur coal.
No figures were given in the report, although data posted this month on the Web site of the government’s National Population and Family Planning Commission said the national rate of birth defects increased by nearly 50 percent over 2001-2006, rising to 145.5 per 10,000 births
Combined with other forms of visible defects and problems that don’t show up until several months after birth, a total of 1.2 million children were born with defects every year, accounting for up to 6 percent of all children born, according to the data.
According to the U.S. National Institutes of Health, birth defects affect about one out of 33 babies in the United States
lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2007/oct/29/102905018.html
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