The King of Anti-Catholic Whoppers

[jcrichton]

…which is why they themselves splinter into a myriad of different faiths, sects etc. Matthew 16 v 17, "And I say unto you that you are Peter (the rock) and upon this rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

God bless

JTG’S

…sadly, these myriad of schisms are not seen as error but as a badge of Christian maturity–talk about convoluted ideology!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I went through so many emotions in this thread. First I went through shock at the stupidity of this person to not know the difference between historical Roman citizens and a religion…then I felt angry b/c of so many misconceptions and then I felt guilty b/c I used to be one of those ignorant protestants until I had my Damascus experience like Paul did.

The sad thing is that I know and have experienced how deep this hatred and prejudice towards Catholics go, especially being from the South. My own family said I wasn’t being a Christian if I converted to Catholicism, and my old Baptist preacher didn’t want to give me the letter proving my baptism so I could become confirmed. Actually told me I was leaving the Christian Faith!!!

Breaks my heart. I just wish people would realize that Christians are Christians and not let the devil divide us up so.

And after reading all the other nice posts now I feel guilty for calling that person stupid…so I’m sorry but it was my gut reaction.

Hi, Carolinagirl!

…I’ve experienced this, “…you are breaking my heart… why could he not be a Christian or even a Jew…?”

…it seems that only the Church Founded by Christ is not the “right” religion!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Jimmytwoguns]

Hey Carolina Girl 411,

Where I come from (Scotland) people kill, stab, shoot one another over religion on a very regular basis. Fights over differences in religion are an everday event. Mostly it’s Protestant against Catholic, but it has nothing, at all, to do with Christianity. You have become a Catholic, the original Church, founded by Christ. Enjoy it. Enjoy the joy it brings! The joy Christ brings! And stop bothering about the fighting because that will go on, and on, and on till the end of the world. Be true to Our Lord and let the rest take care of itself,

God bless you and let the world go by.,

Jimmy two guns.

 

[jcrichton]

the sad thing is it is the enormous generation of children today who are taught (or not taught) by their parents and leaders. from generation to generation these lies are handed down. “i will condemn them to the third and fourth generation” - i wonder…

they, honestly, really are clueless about our Christian history, and we are too ignorant of our own faith and too afraid to stand up and teach them about the faith we share. we outnumber them exponentially, so why is it we cower and let them overrun us?

it’s time for the saints and martyrs to come out and take back His kingdom!

Hi, johnnydigit!

…Jesus said that there would come a time when those who would persecute His Disciples would believe that they were doing the right thing–even when putting them to death, they would be thinking that they would be doing it for Yahweh God… Jesus warned that “they have persecuted me…”

It is not surprising that even those claiming to be Christians persecute the Church Founded by Christ!

…you have to read, and internalize, the Holy Scriptures… (Isaiah 52:13 thru 53:12) and the passage which tells us that He would not speak in His defense nor break a bent reed (Isaiah 42:1-9). We do not need to take the offensive; rather, we should become more knowledgeable of the Holy Scriptures and of our Catholic Faith in order to, patiently, refute all erroneous claims and, lovingly, educate those whom Yahweh God send to us!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

After reading the whole thread, this is all the same things that I was taught about the Catholic Church from the time I was about 2, and in Sunday School, not nursery. It’s amaizing how righteous they think they are, how offten they contradict themselves, and how they just basically disregard all the Scripture that they don’t agree with. A lot of the Baptist, (I’m not 100% sure as for the rest, but I get the feeling that they’re the same way) just compleatly disregard the entire Old Testament, except for Psalms, Proverebs, and whatever other one’s that perticular pastor actually likes. Usually just the ones with prophesys about Jesus in them. My mother is really big on puting down the Catholic Church. When I told her I was thinking about joining, she retorted with all Catholics go to hell, and if you join them you will, too. I told her I can’t posibly go to hell, I’m Saved, and that’s something that never goes entirely away. She said it does after you join the Catholic Church. Also, here’s one I haven’t seen mentioned on here, “the Catholic Chuch is a cult.” She just keeps reapeating that over and over… kinda sad… if she wasn’t so abusive I might feel more sorry for her… So I went and got her her book on cults, (it has a list of them, & it’s by a Baptist preacher) and guess what? Catholic isn’t in it! She said it was in a different book. I asked her which one, she said she didn’t remember. Then she handed me a pamplet by John R. Rice that’s a published letter he wote to a Catholic man, listing all the reasons the Church is against the Bible, etc. I read it (again, she made me read it after my very Catholic/misslead [she practicaly worshiped Mary… ] grandmother died when I was 13) and I found a poor soul seriously misslead as to the teachings of the Church, with a strong hatred of it, who while trying to prove his point, couldn’t help but contradict himself over, and over again. If anything, it just made me pitty Baptists and such who actually believe everything he says. I told my mother he contradicts himself, and she retorted with “so your saying the Bible contradicts itself?” And that’s what a lot of them will say when you tell them they’re favorite anti-Catholic preacher contradicts himself. They poor misslead people seem to think that anything a preacher says from the pulpit is the Word of God, when infact, a lot of it actually doesn’t have any Biblical basis. They all just assume it’s in the Bible. And I know that Baptists are taught to studdy they’re Bibles, heck, mine’s starting to fall apart after 3 years! But what they’re not taught is how to interpret them properly. They don’t ask God to show them what the text means. They ask they’re pastor to tell them. I was forchinate enought to have a youth pastor (Pastor Dave) when I was in highschool that taught us from the Bible, everything he taught, could be found in the Bible. Infact, he sounded a LOT like all the Priests I’ve heard. He told us that inorder to get the proper meaning, you have to pray to God so He can show it to you. Also, he used more of the Old Testament than anyother preacher I’d ever known/heard. He actually wasn’t predjudiced again the Church, he just had a personal dislike of it, which he didn’t wanna pass down to anyone else. God bless him… Anyway, I’m gonna end this now. I’m very L-O-N-G winded, incase you didn’t notice…

Hi, srching4answrs!

…I feel for you… I am glad that you were able to find the Truth; but you should not pity anyone (specially your mom); you should pray for them–generously pray for them, invoke the Holy Spirit to enlighten them… it would be wonderful to hear that your mom, through your prayers, were to come into the Body of Christ!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I enjoyed your very long post. And having been a Baptist myself I find that I quite agree. I’m having similar trouble with my family, although I’ve never been banished to hell or told I would join a cult. They were just severely disappointed in me and tried to “discuss” the problems they had with Catholicism. But again I found that regardless of the evidence I gave, they wouldn’t believe. They were hell bent on turning me back to their side and had no intention of actually listening to me. They love me very much so I deal with it, but when perfect strangers treat me in such a fashion I often find I lose my patience. I used to be one of those stubborn “Catholics are the Anti-Christ” people. I mean…I was really bad…and I just feel it has to be a true miracle that I am a Catholic today. I was Saul turned into a Paul…but not quite so saintly of course I just can’t get over my own ignorance during that time period. The material is really out there for those who want to find it and it is spun in such a way that it is hard not to believe. I have a feeling, Especially in the South where I am from, that Catholics are going to have an increasingly hard time. People don’t want to hear our message b/c it makes them feel guilty. Besides I’ve already run into job discrimination b/c I was a Catholic. sigh

Hi, Carolinagirl!

…not to make light of your problems… but does it not seem that you are joining the early Church’s experience?.. I mean, the persecution of Christ’s Church is still alive today–with time (and perhaps the change of the government) I think it might become more “politically correct” to persecute the Church.

…welcome Home!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I have updated my ignore list to avoid seeing the profanity anf filth one exceptionally crude member insist on posting.

That person is a very poor Catholic witness. Arrogance, insults and baiting is for the mean-spirited, not humble.

Hi, rpp!

…I believe that he did not think that you were serious… I took his tone to be that of deflecting the ignorance of those who attack the Church by deflating their animosity through a spin on what they consider a derogatory term.

I agree with you that a negative term should not be embraced even when a positive spin is given… but I think that you and J should go to PM mode and iron out this misunderstanding.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hey RPP get a life.

You grew up in the midwest you say. So what? I live in Scotland, where the difference bvetween Catholic and Protestant is only equalled in parts of Northern Ireland.

Where we come from, your first and second name tell people what religion you are. A few miles from me, after a football match a group of supporters of a team who until recently did not allow Catholics to play for them (We’re talking about a Scottish Premier League Soccer Side which plays in Europe, and because Europe is full of Catholics, in order to compete, now require to sign Catholics) grabbed a Catholic boy on his way home, cut his throat and stuffed his rosary beads down inside him! They call us papists, (A) because they know no better and (B) because originally it was a term for those who believed in the position of the Pope.

I do believe in the position of the Pope, therefor I revel in being called this name. If I was called a XXXXXXX Papist, then I would object. You Americans have no clue as to the fight over here in Scotland against bigotry. But if someone calls you a Christian because they hate you, will you object? Then why should I object to being called a papist. I am one! They cannot hurt us with the truth

One day I’ll tell you why they call me Jimmy Two Guns. (or not)

Hi, Jimmy!

…if you like drop me a PM–the news agencies do not cover much of the issues that the Church deals with, specially the persecuations that are suffered abroad. If you like you can e-mail!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hey RPP,

You state - “I have updated my ignore list to avoid seeing the profanity anf filth one exceptionally crude member insist on posting. That person is a very poor Catholic witness. Arrogance, insults and baiting is for the mean-spirited, not humble”

If you’re referring to me then why not say so? In Scotland, we’re made of sterner stuff. I used no crudity, profanity, nor filth when addressing anyone, and ask the mediators kindly to note this and acknowledge they have.

If you were referring to me, I don’t accept I’m "a very poor Catholic witness, nor am I arrogant, As apparently you can’t stand up to the opposition of the enemy, and they are the enemy, then I feel genuinely sorry for you and hope your cowardice will be overcome.

We Catholics get on your knees to Christ, but bow to no man!

JTG’S

Hi, Jimmy!

I think he was speaking on your insistance of the term Papist; he feels that even if a positive spin is done the term is still too derogatory to be used; I suggested to him that you and him PM to iron out this misunderstanding…

…after the info on the murder of boy I have further understanding on your position; still, I think you should PM each other and dismiss this slight irritant that has crept onto the thread.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Bluehair]

I am now 55 years old but I still remember a co-worker I had from my first job at the age of 17. Evidently her family - I think her parents - had converted from Catholic to, if I remember correctly, Protestant. Her explanation was a very simply stated one and I didn’t clue into it until a little later. She would say, very proudly and constantly, that because folks from the Protestant church had given her family four bags full of groceries her family had left the Catholic church for the Protestant church. In the two years I worked there she never made any other type of reason other than that. It finally struck me that, probably, when she was a child she had been coached to ‘explain’ to people that this is why they had left the Catholic church and, now as an adult still in the same child-like manner, would proudly say it to people even though she was now a woman in her mid-thirties with children of her own. This was her family tradition of explaining the change and it was very important to her. I think this is what we Catholics need to understand. When we do prove that what they may think is incorrect in the their understanding about the Catholic church we are hitting hard at what has been part of their cherished belief system given to at least some of them by their loved ones. It’s like telling your four year child that Santa Claus does not exist. It’s a hard blow to take. Now fast forward to my last day at work (I was leaving to find a better job) and there we were sitting close to each other in the crowded work area and she again repeats by rote how when the Protestants gave her family four bags of groceries they converted. I was sort of ready for this. So I innocently ask: “Do you mean to say that your family was in need of help and the people at your Catholic church turned you away!” She admitted (1) no, they were not in need of help and (2) they never were turned down by the Catholic church because they never had to ask for help. I then said: “Well, if all it took was four bags of groceries to make you leave the Catholic church then this is what I’ll do. I’ll give you cash sufficient to buy four bags of groceries. Then you can convert back to Catholicism since all this was just about bags of groceries.” At this she became very, very quiet. We both went on working. After a while I said: “You know I can’t believe that your family converted just for what comes down to cash. I’m pretty certain there was some other reason that was important to your family. Why don’t you sit down with your family and ask. If they converted because of some important difference they couldn’t agree with and this church they are in now is what makes them happy - well then I have no probem with that at all. But if it’s about the groceries let me know and I’ll bring you the cash.” My last day was the next day so I don’t know what happened - but maybe it made her think.

 

[jcrichton]

I am now 55 years old but I still remember a co-worker I had from my first job at the age of 17. Evidently her family - I think her parents - had converted from Catholic to, if I remember correctly, Protestant. Her explanation was a very simply stated one and I didn’t clue into it until a little later. She would say, very proudly and constantly, that because folks from the Protestant church had given her family four bags full of groceries her family had left the Catholic church for the Protestant church. In the two years I worked there she never made any other type of reason other than that. It finally struck me that, probably, when she was a child she had been coached to ‘explain’ to people that this is why they had left the Catholic church and, now as an adult still in the same child-like manner, would proudly say it to people even though she was now a woman in her mid-thirties with children of her own. This was her family tradition of explaining the change and it was very important to her. I think this is what we Catholics need to understand. When we do prove that what they may think is incorrect in the their understanding about the Catholic church we are hitting hard at what has been part of their cherished belief system given to at least some of them by their loved ones. It’s like telling your four year child that Santa Claus does not exist. It’s a hard blow to take. Now fast forward to my last day at work (I was leaving to find a better job) and there we were sitting close to each other in the crowded work area and she again repeats by rote how when the Protestants gave her family four bags of groceries they converted. I was sort of ready for this. So I innocently ask: “Do you mean to say that your family was in need of help and the people at your Catholic church turned you away!” She admitted (1) no, they were not in need of help and (2) they never were turned down by the Catholic church because they never had to ask for help. I then said: “Well, if all it took was four bags of groceries to make you leave the Catholic church then this is what I’ll do. I’ll give you cash sufficient to buy four bags of groceries. Then you can convert back to Catholicism since all this was just about bags of groceries.” At this she became very, very quiet. We both went on working. After a while I said: “You know I can’t believe that your family converted just for what comes down to cash. I’m pretty certain there was some other reason that was important to your family. Why don’t you sit down with your family and ask. If they converted because of some important difference they couldn’t agree with and this church they are in now is what makes them happy - well then I have no probem with that at all. But if it’s about the groceries let me know and I’ll bring you the cash.” My last day was the next day so I don’t know what happened - but maybe it made her think.

Hi, Bluehair!

…I’ve known a few who have converted (I am told) because of two things a) they were given financial assistance (food, clothing, rent-money) and b) they were made to feel wanted (visits, home Bible studies, hospital visits, calls, invitations to group’s social activities); sadly, for many impoverished people the way to their “spiritual” loyalty is generosity (or seeming generosity) with time and money.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Bluehair]

Hello JCRICHTON

I think that what my (then) 17 year old mind could not understand is how someone about twice my age was still giving such an ignorant reason for leaving the Catholic church! I don’t think anyone had ever pointed that out to her. I can imagine how I would feel if someone easily pointed out a discrepancy in my ‘reasoning’ that made me sound so ignorant. She didn’t really know the reason her family switched and I probably pulled the rug out from under her. It’s as if she had been brainwashed to give the same explanation - one that made no sense and even put her family in a bad light.

However, situations like this one are what has made me into a researcher of all things Catholic. In recent years I have had to put up with ignorant anti-Catholism but all it did was make me try to find online Catholic websites like this one and good well-stocked Catholic bookstores (like Veritas in Houston). My 160 GB Classic Video Ipod has about 80 GB on Catholic material alone! Nevermind the Catholic books I have! (grin) I don’t seem to have the time to find apologetics classes or bible study at my Catholic church but the videoed apologetics class I found on YouTube and now have on my Ipod has me highlighting my study bible! So many books, online bible study, etc., and so little time. Makes me glad I was born Catholic. I’ll have to tell my mother (father passed in 1997) how glad I am she raised me Catholic.

 

[Andy_Corder]

Hi, Andy Corder!

…could it have been that the passage in Hebrews was quoting Isaiah?

…but you know that lady was right… we Catholics have a different Bible–ours contains all 73 books, theirs (with the exception of the original KJ) only 66!

Maran atha!

Angel

The exchange that really ended the conversation was when I asked which version of the Bible they had been reading. She proudly said “The true bible, the King James.” I picked up a copy of the Douay-Rheims bible and commented, “lets look in this one. This is the unedited version of the King James.” That did it. They were gone.

By the way, I called the nearby Protestant store later and spoke to them. They had the same conversation with the couple about an hour after I did. Same result. They just could not believe it was in Hebrews.

I believe the verse was a segment of "Hebrews 13:5 “I will never forsake you or abandon you.” From what I could find there is a cross reference to Deuteronomy, but not Isaiah. In typical Protestant fashion, he was only interested in part of the verse.

 

[Andy_Corder]

…The sad thing is that I know and have experienced how deep this hatred and prejudice towards Catholics go, especially being from the South. My own family said I wasn’t being a Christian if I converted to Catholicism, and my old Baptist preacher didn’t want to give me the letter proving my baptism so I could become confirmed. Actually told me I was leaving the Christian Faith!!! …

When I converted to the Catholic faith, from Southern Baptist, my brother was so incensed that it was over 5 years before he spoke to me again. He quit sending Christmas cards, birthday cards, everything. It has taken alot of time to slowly rebuild a relationship with him, but in May he traveled to visit us and attend the Rite of Ordination when I was blessed to become a Deacon in the Church. We still have a significant way to go, but at least he is willing to calmly discuss things now.

 

[mercygate]

My dear Estesbob, I know where you’re coming from, but take a tip from an old timer. Next time one of these types ask you what religion you are, tell them you’re a Papist. It’s fantastic!! It totally knocks the wind clean out of their sails. If you say you’re a Catholic, or even a Roman Catholic, then even these bigots might give you some line about one of their best friends great granny being a Catholic, but still, she baked lovely scones or some such baloney. But when you tell them you’re a Papist, it’s POW!! There’s no comeback. You fired the bullet first and it’s true. Papist only comes from the word Papish or Popish, meaning one who adheres to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and those in communion with her. In Scotland the (unenlightened) Protestants call us " Papes" or “Wine grapes” (rhyming slang) and we’re proud of it!

God bless you my papist friend

Jimmy two Guns.

Didn’t somebody make a t-shirt that said “Papist - and proud of it!” LOL

 

[mercygate]

Hi Gail Mac,

It’s time to nail our colours to the mast. To get off our knees (unless we are in the presence of God) and stand up and shout from the roof tops what we believe. Yes, we’re Catholics, yes, we’re Roman Catholics, Yes we’re Papists -

Then, ask the question, which one of the myriad of non or anti - catholic sects are you from? The so called Anglo Catholic Church of England ( a contradiction in it’s own name, which does everything it can to mimic the Roman Catholic Church) the High Church of England, Middle Church of England, Broad Church of England, Low Church of England, Anglicans all over the world, Episcopalians, high and low, Church of Ireland, Church of Wales, Welsh Chapel, Presbyterian Church of Scotland, United Free Church of Scotland, Free Church of Scotland (not united) which wouldn’t allow the former Lord Chancellor of Britain (one of their members apparently) to attend the funeral of a fellow judge who was a Roman Catholic (although he attended to his great credit and provoked more contoversy, in fact, I think he was kicked out of his church) Lutherans, Baptists, Southern Baptists, all kinds of Baptists and Anabaptists, Plymouth Brethern, Closed Brethern, Open Brethern, Exclusive Brethern, Calvinists, Puritans, Congregationalists, Quakers, Shakers, Methodists, and a whole bunch of snake wrestlers somewhere in the US of A… ad infinitum

St Matthew’s Gospel, Ch16 v 17 Christ said, to the apostle he knew would deny him thrice (before, always having been referred to as Simon) “And I say unto you, you are Peter (the rock) and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it”

I think I’ll settle for Papist, What about you?

God bless,

It’s one in the morning in Bonnie Scotland.

JTG’S

I think it is one thing to pop the anti-Catholic’s balloon by admitting up-front that we are “Papists” but quite another to turn the tables by asking a question like “Which of the myriad anti-Catholic sects are you from?”

Pre-emptive defense is fine. Spitting their own style assault in THEIR faces is not.

 

[Ted_in_Charlott]

But like I said, her arguments were simplistic and easily dissectable. In her growing frustration she grasped at her final straw; **“Well, you Catholics are the ones who crucified Jesus!” **When I asked her to explain her rather desperate claim, her reasoning was such; “Jesus was crucified by Roman soldiers… and you’re Roman Catholics!”

Well, as they would say in CSI :They got the limeline all wrong.
Peter WENT to Rome to SAVE the Gentiles.
It would be the same as saying the doctor doing the surgery caused the disease.

But, it doesn’t take logic to be a fundamental evangelist, just a good old fashioned hate for Catholics.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Sounds like a good idea! I am a proud homophobic anti-choice mary loving papist.

Do we have a cool team shirt?

Someone needs to mention This guy!

 

[mercygate]

Hey RPP get a life.

You grew up in the midwest you say. So what? I live in Scotland, where the difference bvetween Catholic and Protestant is only equalled in parts of Northern Ireland.

Where we come from, your first and second name tell people what religion you are. A few miles from me, after a football match a group of supporters of a team who until recently did not allow Catholics to play for them (We’re talking about a Scottish Premier League Soccer Side which plays in Europe, and because Europe is full of Catholics, in order to compete, now require to sign Catholics) grabbed a Catholic boy on his way home, cut his throat and stuffed his rosary beads down inside him! They call us papists, (A) because they know no better and (B) because originally it was a term for those who believed in the position of the Pope.

I do believe in the position of the Pope, therefor I revel in being called this name. If I was called a XXXXXXX Papist, then I would object. You Americans have no clue as to the fight over here in Scotland against bigotry. But if someone calls you a Christian because they hate you, will you object? Then why should I object to being called a papist. I am one! They cannot hurt us with the truth

One day I’ll tell you why they call me Jimmy Two Guns. (or not)

You are quite right that since the mid-twentieth Century, American Catholics have not seen what anti-Catholicism used to look like in this country – where it arrived with the Founding Fathers along with their precious copies of Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.

Back in the late 1950s, when I was in high school, an American-born friend of mine, whose parents had come from Scotland, and I decided to check out the local Anglo-Catholic establishment one Sunday morning. He received the Eucharist, but held it in his mouth until we left the building, where he spat it into the shrubbery.

I learned the word “Papist” from him. And the endearing term: “Kick the Pope!” Even though I was still pretty much anti-Catholic myself, that relationship didn’t last much longer, as you can well imagine.

 

[Rachel_J]

Apparently if one goes into the sewers under Vatican City they are fulled with the bones of new born babies left to die - 'cause the nuns and priests have parties every night but don’t want the world to know.

I was anti-catholic myself when I heard this (ignorance), but that seemed unbelievable. Not just the claim but that anyone would accept it as true.