The kneeling saga continues

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The GIRM is very clear that he is not perpetrating a liturgical abuse by allowing families to stand during the consecration during our Children’s Mass in the gymnasium.
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Mass is being in the gymnasium? Why is Mass not held in the Church?

And, no: kneeling in our hearts is not more important. That makes no sense. Again, it’s a nice cliche to make everyone feel good. Kneeling is always meant to be external. Saying “Kneeling in our hearts” is just plain ludicrous. We must keep the externals in order to keep the internal faith. If the externals vanish then so will the internal eventually.

If I knew where this Mass was held I would write a letter to the bishop for you. It is vitally important that we follow the GIRM and keep great reverence to our Eucharistic Lord. It is wrong to stand at the consecration. Lack of kneelers is not a provision in the GIRM and I don’t see it as a good reason either.
 
Seminarian_Matt said:
If I knew where this Mass was held I would write a letter to the bishop for you. It is vitally important that we follow the GIRM and keep great reverence to our Eucharistic Lord. It is wrong to stand at the consecration. Lack of kneelers is not a provision in the GIRM and I don’t see it as a good reason either.
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Careful. Some here might be similarly inspired to write to the bishop of a pontificating seminarian…

:twocents:
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tee_eff_em said:
Careful. Some here might be similarly inspired to write to the bishop of a pontificating seminarian…

:twocents:
tee
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Pontificating? I’m just here to help answer questions by Catholics and non-Catholics. I am certainly not pontificating.

Besides, I never give away my full name either over the Internet 👍
 
LilyM said:
I’ve never in my life seen a Catholic Church where people stand for the Consecration! It’s Jesus, our Lord and God!
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You obviously have never heard of the Byzantine Catholics!
Kneel if you can, sit if you can’t. There’s no reason on earth to STAND!
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If you are a Byzantine Catholic, you stand!😃
 
The Children’s Mass is held in the gymnasium because at the same time, another Mass is being held in the Sanctuary. Both Masses are packed. The church holds a total of nine Masses on Saturday vigil/Sunday morning/Sunday afternoon.
 
Cat said:
The Children’s Mass is held in the gymnasium because at the same time, another Mass is being held in the Sanctuary. Both Masses are packed. The church holds a total of nine Masses on Saturday vigil/Sunday morning/Sunday afternoon.
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you know someone, somewhere at some point is going to complain that the gym is NO place to hold Mass, right?:rotfl:
‘i’ think it’s a GREAT idea considering the circumstances!!
 
Isn’t it more important to kneel in our hearts rather than with our knees?
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I’d say the two go hand in hand.

For those that don’t think kneeling is necessary: Is Philippians 2:10 meant to be taken symbolically then? “That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.”

Do we take “This is My Body” symbolically? Of course not.:nope:
 
mdgspencer said:
Since this is a personal remark, it seems a flame to me.
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Perhaps a little warm, but I did not mention anyone by personal name, nor did I assert that I was so inspired.

However, for anyone to think that a bishop (probably) not his own will care one whit to receive a report of perceived abuse from a second-hand reporter – who obviously does not himself comprehend the GIRM* – just seems a little over the top. :twocents:

(* “It is wrong to stand at the consecration.” Bah! The GIRM itself makes specific allowance for circumstances when the faithful may stand during the consecration. Is the GIRM wrong!?!?)

tee
 
tee_eff_em said:
Perhaps a little warm, but I did not mention anyone by personal name, nor did I assert that I was so inspired.

However, for anyone to think that a bishop (probably) not his own will care one whit to receive a report of perceived abuse from a second-hand reporter – who obviously does not himself comprehend the GIRM* – just seems a little over the top. :twocents:

(* “It is wrong to stand at the consecration.” Bah! The GIRM itself makes specific allowance for circumstances when the faithful may stand during the consecration. Is the GIRM wrong!?!?)

tee
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I second this.

You know, you don’t want to “flame” anyone - but people consistantly advocate writing letters to everyone, including the pope himself, for the most minor of things, it get’s really hard to hold one’s tongue.

And, I know a few bishops who would give a good lecture to people who take it upon themselves to be the “liturgy police”.
 
Seminarian_Matt said:
When I am given a parish after my ordination (God willing), then I will ensure there are not only kneelers but altar rails.
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Amen brother I wish you were coming here to Dallas. I have great hope in our new priest, that they will help bring back Sacredness:highprayer:
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
I second this.

You know, you don’t want to “flame” anyone - but people consistantly advocate writing letters to everyone, including the pope himself, for the most minor of things, it get’s really hard to hold one’s tongue.

And, I know a few bishops who would give a good lecture to people who take it upon themselves to be the “liturgy police”.
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And there are those of us who see our beloved liturgy and traditions being EDIT tossed away. The liturgy belongs to all of us, and it hurts to see it treated in a cavalier manner. :crying:
 
drifting_away said:
Why doesn’t the church have kneelers? Is it a poor church? I’ve never seen a Catholic church without kneelers. So, nobody kneels?
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I thought the same thing…until I attended a nearby Catholic parish in Florida…we just moved, and they do not have pews even…they have chairs. It’s a lovely church, but these are things that are hard to adjust to. There were people kneeling…but everyone STOOD during communion??? I thought that was irreverant, so I knelt, then sat. I dunno…very different. I talked to a nun about this in Pittsburgh, because someone on this board told me about this Florida church–about the kneelers. This Sister explained that kneelers do not declassify a church from being Catholic…they are not necessary to mass…but, a RCC should have a visible crucifix…and there was one, albeit small, in the front of the church. It will take some getting used to…but the priests were wonderful…so, this might be our new parish.
 
RobinTruett said:
Amen brother I wish you were coming here to Dallas. I have great hope in our new priest, that they will help bring back Sacredness:highprayer:
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Thank you. My fellow seminarians and I are all very Traditional and want to see the Liturgy treated with the greatest respect. We want to follow the Mass rubics to the tee. I am confident about the future of the Church.

God bless
 
Seminarian_Matt said:
Thank you. My fellow seminarians and I are all very Traditional and want to see the Liturgy treated with the greatest respect. We want to follow the Mass rubics to the tee. I am confident about the future of the Church.

God bless
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Are you sure about that?

In our diocese part of the “rubrics” means standing for the communion rite; this is allowed to be mandated and our bishop mandated it. Would you follow that “to the tee”?

I can see that you are very zealous and idealistic; that is a good thing. But your bishop will, without a doubt, talk to you after you are ordained or shortly before about tempering your idealism and zealousness with moderation and pastoral sensitivity. It’s a discussion that is quite common between bishops who are older and wiser and newly ordained priests.
 
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PaixGioiaAmor:
In our diocese part of the “rubrics” means standing for the communion rite
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You’ve confused me.

Are you under the impression that this (my) thread is about kneeling for reception of communion? Its not, its about kneeling primarily for the consecration. Two totally separate issues.

Standing has been made the norm for receiving communion in the entire United States, not just your diocese.

Maybe the thread changed directions and I missed it…:hmmm:
 
Magnum_V8 said:
Hey, first things first…new here, name’s John-Paul.

In a U.S. church that doesn’t have any kneeling during the Mass, should kneeling be done anyway?

The parish that I belong to removed the kneelers 10 years ago, long before I joined the parish. We do not kneel at all during the Mass, and I’m starting to find it rather disrespectful. I grew up in the Novus Ordo, but left the faith for about 13 years. For the past couple years I’ve gradually renewed my faith and things are starting to come back.

The General Instruction of the Roman Missal clearly states that we are to kneel at certain points.

The question is: would I be “holier than thou” to start kneeling on the floor during those particular parts of the liturgy?

Once I get a little more involved in the parish I’m going to try to convince the pastor to bring the kneelers back. Until then, I’m not sure what the best course of action would be. I feel the most reverence for the Lord when I’m kneeling. But I certainly don’t want to interfere with others. However, when I mentioned things like this to a priest from a different parish, he told me to “be the example.”

How commonplace is standing for the traditional kneeling parts of the liturgy?

Thanks.
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That’s the first post. The thread is “about” kneeling in general.

Secondly, I wasn’t actually speaking to that point in the mass; I was citing that to make my point, which is that, mostly, people pick and choose which parts of the liturgy to follow “to the tee.”
 
I have heard it said that there are Masses being said in heaven. Do Byzantines in heaven have to kneel during the consecration and will Latins have to stand? If it is “no” because we won’t have bodies, will our resurrected bodies have a uniform posture?

I just want to proove a point about how silly this whole standing/kneeling debate is. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in the East, do as the Eastern Catholics do. When in heaven, do as the saints do. We will probably all :bowdown2: PROSTRATE :bowdown2: ourselves during the consecration.
 
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