The left and family separations

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Gingersnaps4 said:
underage teens are given hormones etc many times against parental wishes. Psychiatrists can even get in trouble at times if they don’t affirm a child’s desire to be the opposite sex and rather try to treat the real problems instead.
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Data for these claims?

In what country?

Peer reviewed scientific data or links to the actual laws please
 
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Shouldn’t we care for the needy in our own country-our citizens-well enough first before those who illegally enter for “free stuff”? If the U.S. ever loses its prosperity-if we are all poor because the rich have left for another country to keep more of their earnings, I would never go to another nation expecting to anonymously receive the forced charity of that nation’s citizenry through welfare. There comes a point when a nation cannot grant citizenship and all those “entitlements” to everyone who wants to be a citizen.
 
You do realize that every drug can be harmful, right? That ibuprofen you give your kid for a fever can be harmful. We all assess, with the help of our physician, the risk to reward ratio.
 
By “harmful”, I was referring to drugs, such as puberty blockers, which have the direct and intended effect of damaging the body or obstructing its natural operation. Giving such drugs to children (or anyone, but especially children) without a legitimate medical reason should be treated as a serious crime.

Dangerous drugs are also given too frequently, but are a separate matter.
 
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I don’t have time to do that but I myself found it online so I am sure you can too.

The other post with regards to the fetal brain and hormone mishaps I believe I read it was something like .001 or .002 of the population. It has been a couple of years since I read that but I will try to find it again. I read it a few years ago when this issue was first becoming popular and it was written before that time by some medical site or other.
 
Oh i can say off the top of my head that it is in the Us and Canada where I have read of this type of thing. Canada actually does not have free speech with regard to lgbt and transgender issues and you aren’t really allowed to have a differing opinion unless you keep it to yourself.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
I don’t have time to do that but I myself found it online so I am sure you can too.
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Yet, I did not make the claim.

When I make claims online, I am prepared to back them up or to state “this is only my opinion”.

Are you then saying that this is only your opinion?
 
Nooooo I am saying it because I came across it when researching it a couple of years ago. If I do find it I will let you know. Hopefully that data is still available now.
 
It’s just that the way you worded it “peer reviewed data or actual laws” that make the task ornerous. I have read of a case recently in a news article where a 16 or 17 year old was being given hormones with out the parents consent and the parent actually lost custody over it. It isn’t peer reviewed though. And of course in the US there are no laws regarding any of these things but it happens regardless. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are laws in Canada about it though. They are militant with this issue.
 
If this has been scientifically proven, that means now a simple pre-natal test can tell us which children are GID well before birth. The parents can then plan for their special needs child accordingly.
 
I agree with what you’re saying. The transgender issue is a tough topic. Relationship does not always imply sex. As a matter of fact, two men can be in a romantic relationship, yet be celibate and not sinful. Same can be said for someone with a transgender spouse.

Pope Benedict talked of an ecology of man. Not saying that trans didn’t exist but that God made us this way for a reason and we should be knowing of that. Who knows. Maybe God made people have homosexual attraction or wish they were the other gender so that they could not fit into normal society, and instead become some of the most religious in society (many find God through suffering). I was talking with another person who deals with gender dysphoria and they consider it a cross to bear, as Christ himself talks about, and anticipates not having to deal with it in Heaven. As do I.

So, there’s a traditional, conservative way of looking at it. There’s also another way. That’s the way of at least accepting that it’s real, and that their struggles are real, and I believe even if you recognize it’s not God’s plan, it’s still part of the plan. It’s not like it’s fake or something that can be grown out of. At least not for most people that deal with it. I still deal with it. So, when we approach the transgender issue, just as the homosexual issue, we must be sure that we are understanding, and accepting. We must accept that the tendencies exist. I believe the Catechumen even says this. What we do about it is the question.

What I can be most certain of is the way that we deal with the issue, like I’ve been saying. I’m not certain of the answer to the problem, but how we deal with it, which is in the Catholic way, love and understanding. We must, must act on Christ’s most emphasized commandment, to treat others how we would like to be treated. With respect, and even love.
 
Well, I’m a newcomer to Catholicism, so try to bear with me 🙂

Would you be so kind as to elaborate? I believe that God makes people who they are for a reason, so that’s established. I also however believe trans people and homosexuals need to be treated with respect, and LOVE for that matter, just as Christ emphasizes. Arkansan is particularly nasty to these people and I believe he’s committing a grave sin in his total uncaring for their feelings. We’re supposed to be nice people. Christianity is not a religion of jerks.
 
I totally agree that all people should be treated with dignity compassion and love. But I don’t think that God directly inflicts people with their crosses, mental illnesses, etc. that is from the fall.
 
Yeah, I’m not really sure about how God works. I guess I’m just throwing it out there. Because I mean, he does interact with the world, right? That’s why we pray and so on. You make a good point though, it could just be from that…certainly much suffering is…but I don’t know, it’s stuff to think about. You never really know with God.

All this transgender stuff hits me right in the heart because I deal with gender dysphoria and of course I’ve made many acquaintances by going to groups for it and stuff. I just hate when some people are so nasty about it. God’s trying me when he says I have to love these people that aren’t even practicing his love…but you know what? If I could make Arkansan be a nicer person, then why not try…and how do I do that? By being nice to him…so I have to try. @Arkansan, I may think you are sinning, but like all sinners, you have potential within you. You are made in God’s image, and he loves you, and…I love you, for you are a brother. So, there’s my plea. I plea that you’ll stop being so uncaring and dismissive of…well, my people. You’re in my prayers.
 
Jump4Joy said:
I feel the opposite. I wonder why people so sorry for an embryo but care little for the separation of families. They think they simply committed a crime so the separation of children is justified
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you don’t make sense
committing a crime has always been justification to separate families.
 
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