The morality of allowing Syrian refugees into the USA

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bitterhope said:
The problem is there is no way to assure that these people are really looking for refuge. The Christians are in much greater need, yet they are not the ones migrating in huge numbers. They are being slaughtered instead. They are wiping out Christians from the Middle East, and once that happens they will push to continue their manifest dynasty across the globe.
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Australia will take 12,000 Syrian refugees where they can verify identity. Need will be the primary discriminatory factor - which will no doubt see many Christians accepted, but Moslems also.
 
St_Francis said:
I am not sure which set of numbers you are talking about. Do you have a link?

Yes, a global responsibility–maybe the Gulf states, which are more similar in language and culture, should take in refugees as well. (If you wonder why they don’t, here’s a 58-second video explaining why not. At the time, the Gulf states together had given about $8M, about $200/refugee in the ME.)

All the nations should help. Maybe states with a lot of Arabic speakers could help vet the refugees so that it would be safer for us to take fhem in? And in the meantime, we can provide more financial support.

But doesn’t a disproportionate number of young men invite the question, why? Why would a young man leave his family without his protection in the war-torn nation he is trying to escape? What is he leaving his family behind to face? Because from what we hear here, it doesn’t sound good.

I have met many people from the ME who were very nice. I have also read accounts of how people who did horrendous things were viewed before they did those things. Sometimes the reaction was, I’m not surprised, he was always weird; but others, Ted Bundy comes to mind, were viewed as charming as well.
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I suppose if you extend this logic then no one with a Europen background would be in America. Russians Irish Poles etc should all have sought refuge nearer home.
 
Peter_Plato said:
I suppose “women and children first” when facing a disasterous situation has lost its meaning, then?
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No…but I imagine the entire family faces essentially the same threat, and would flee as one. Single persons will also flee.
 
JimmyG88 said:
I suppose if you extend this logic then no one with a Europen background would be in America. Russians Irish Poles etc should all have sought refuge nearer home.
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If there was refuge to be given, yes.

Which is the point with regard to whether many of these “refugees” may or may not actually be seeking “refuge” to begin with.

Which is what you don’t know but presume to know.

Are you claiming to have expertise in that area and on that specific issue before we rely on your “certainty?”

Clearly, the assurances so far given by the “authorities” have left France open to an horrific attack. You see NO issue there – nothing that will change your mind.

At what point will your mind be changed? Never? No matter what the cost?

Pardon my skepticism about whether such an open position remains forever a defensible one.
 
Rau said:
No…but I imagine the entire family faces essentially the same threat, and would flee as one. Single persons will also flee.
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Bitterhope’s point, I thought, was that the numbers of single men among the refugees is way out of proportion to the number we would expect if “entire families” were fleeing as one.
 
Peter_Plato said:
If there was refuge to be given, yes.

Which is the point with regard to whether many of these “refugees” may or may not actually be seeking “refuge” to begin with.

Which is what you don’t know but presume to know.

Are you claiming to have expertise in that area and on that specific issue before we rely on your “certainty?”

Clearly, the assurances so far given by the “authorities” have left France open to an horrific attack. You see NO issue there – nothing that will change your mind.

At what point will your mind be changed? Never? No matter what the cost?

Pardon my skepticism about whether such an open position remains forever a defensible one.
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You really are a piece of work lol lol lol
 
JimmyG88 said:
So you don’t want them in your back yard
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If I were a refugee, and had the choice between living in New Zealand or in China, I would pick NZ, where they speak the same language I do (more or less ;)), where I would have the chance of getting an education and/or job, where I could buy meat and have some idea of what to do with it, where I could find a place to worship, where I could make friends among the people of what would look like my new nation, where I could understand what was going on around me… over China, whose language is very difficult (as is English), where everything would be very different, and where it would be hard for me to get a job, etc.

Did you watch the video? It’s very short, and subtitled so you don’t have to put the volume up. See what the Kuwaiti official has to say about why they don’t accept refugees.
 
Peter_Plato said:
Bitterhope’s point, I thought, was that the numbers of single men among the refugees is way out of proportion to the number we would expect if “entire families” were fleeing as one.
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So what? Are they not entitled to the same consideration as anyone else or do you have a particular axe to grind with young Arab men fleeing war
 
St_Francis said:
If I were a refugee, and had the choice between living in New Zealand or in China, I would pick NZ, where they speak the same language I do (more or less ;)), where I would have the chance of getting an education and/or job, where I could buy meat and have some idea of what to do with it, where I could find a place to worship, where I could make friends among the people of what would look like my new nation, where I could understand what was going on around me… over China, whose language is very difficult (as is English), where everything would be very different, and where it would be hard for me to get a job, etc.

Did you watch the video? It’s very short, and subtitled so you don’t have to put the volume up. See what the Kuwaiti official has to say about why they don’t accept refugees.
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You get to wherever you can get to its not really like planning a holiday
 
JimmyG88 said:
You get to wherever you can get to its not really like planning a holiday
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That’s the problem. They aren’t just going wherever they can. They are picking and choosing their final destination. They aren’t just fleeing to safety or for economic reasons.
 
JimmyG88 said:
So you don’t want them in your back yard
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You haven’t seen my backyard… Anyway, I don’t want terrorists in *anyone’s *backyard. A lot of the terrorists have been disaffected immigrants living with families on the dole, or else college-educated men. in the past, many were raised or educated in Western nations.

Look at what the ex-wife of one of the men who died pulling off an attack in Paris last week. She was surprised he was involved, but the Belgians had known he was radicalized, presumably after they were divorced. She said all he did was smoke pot, even tho he was a licensed electrician. She thought he was nice. But something got a hold of him and he decided to go out and kill people.

In the US, we already vet inadequately, and the FBI admits that it cannot keep track of those refugees/aslyees whom they suspect have been radicalized. Look how Belgium knew some of the Paris attackers had been radicalized and didn’t tell France. Look how the police let the pair driving away in a car go…

I am simply saying that neither we nor the Europeans have an *obligation *to bring or allow them into our nations. What other nations choose to do is not my business, so I don’t talk about that. But in the US, the government puts all the refugees in a few places, they have a difficult time getting work or an education, and a high percentage receive government aid.
 
JimmyG88 said:
You get to wherever you can get to its not really like planning a holiday
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What numbers were you talking about when you said that European nations had taken in millions? Please provide a link.

And did you watch the video?
 
St_Francis said:
You haven’t seen my backyard… Anyway, I don’t want terrorists in *anyone’s *backyard. A lot of the terrorists have been disaffected immigrants living with families on the dole, or else college-educated men. in the past, many were raised or educated in Western nations.

Look at what the ex-wife of one of the men who died pulling off an attack in Paris last week. She was surprised he was involved, but the Belgians had known he was radicalized, presumably after they were divorced. She said all he did was smoke pot, even tho he was a licensed electrician. She thought he was nice. But something got a hold of him and he decided to go out and kill people.

In the US, we already vet inadequately, and the FBI admits that it cannot keep track of those refugees/aslyees whom they suspect have been radicalized. Look how Belgium knew some of the Paris attackers had been radicalized and didn’t tell France. Look how the police let the pair driving away in a car go…

I am simply saying that neither we nor the Europeans have an *obligation *to bring or allow them into our nations. What other nations choose to do is not my business, so I don’t talk about that. But in the US, the government puts all the refugees in a few places, they have a difficult time getting work or an education, and a high percentage receive government aid.
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All migrants are terrorists? I’m sure your namesake wouldn’t have been quibbling about food stamps.
 
I seem to recall reading that there was the same suspicion of another man from the Middle East. But the European invaders put him to death
 
St_Francis said:
A no-fly zone is not really the answer to what is happening on the ground. ISIS is not bombing people from the air.
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Well, that was just a metaphor for the creation of a safe haven over there as opposed to bringing them over here.
 
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