The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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Except for maybe a few people in a crowded pub or a full beach in Panama City Beach FL.
Your right for the most part though. Terror won’t help. But people who are oblivious or don’t care because they think they are immune, are a serious problem.

They fail to understand that if they get peppered with enough viral load, they can still get very sick, and they can even cause harm to their family or the next person to hold the mike at the karaoke bar.
 
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HarryStotle:
The distinction is that the virus does not survive long in the air so breathing, unless someone is breathing directly on you from very close quarters, it would not be a problem. That is why social distancing is important — 2 metres is recommended.
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The fine droplet mist can survive in the atmosphere for some length of time. Social distancing is great, However if you walk through a droplet mist present in the atmosphere, your social distancing procedures have failed. A person expelling Covid19 virus by droplet will expel a mist and this mist will be expelled into the atmosphere for a given period of time in one location,
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Yes, but the fine droplet mist is not going to be produced merely by breathing (exhaling), it requires aerosol generation of particles about 4 µm or larger. Someone would have to cough or sneeze to produce particles sufficiently large to sustain virus particles and the larger those are the less time they would remain in the air.
 
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This impact is here now, we are at the beginning. One third of Covid 19 hospital beds are occupied by young people critically ill. This contagion has an extremely effective way of getting into its human host.
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The reason for that may be because they were infected with the virus while taking anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen.

The serious cases in young people are patients who have taken anti-inflammatory drugs at the beginning of the disease (ibuprofen, naproxen, voltarene, diclofenac, etc.) should be avoided.
 
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My personal theory?

Men are stronger, but women are hardier.
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i agree with your personal theory. Also I have no medical explanation I have seen in Italy statistics that people who die from coronavirus at a young age are all men (before 40) who usually have others related pathology.

Men die more easily. There is more boys who are born ortality rate is higher for babies boy than for babies girls. Women live older than men.
It should have a genetic explanation as well as an environmental explanation such as work conditions…
 
This is what I meant. You understand. People going around saying we are all going to die and will be locked up for 2 years needs to check their emotions a tad. This may not be the flu but it’s not the end of the world.

And I’m still waiting for all the data to show this wasn’t as bad as people think… i wish everyone would read zzyzx_roads article.
 
Thanks @HarryStotle

For the rest of everyone:

I have been watching the POTUS press conferences each day, and as I watch, they scroll data at the bottom of the screen. The numbers currently reported (and known) said as of noon today 278,000 people world-wide were infected. 11,900 had died. 5,400 of those deaths were in Italy. this is over a three-month period. As @JimR-OCDS has been saying, those people in Italy have been hit extremely hard because their population is older. The report also said 90% of these people had major underlying health conditions / pre-existing conditions. The math currently states a 4.25% death rate, but this number does not account for the potentially 10,000’s, 100,000’s or millions of people with the virus, for which we simple cannot or have not measured. If we are off by a factor of two, just 2, that lowers the death rate in half, to roughly 2%. Let me repeat that. Two percent.
 
The stuff about the end of the world or 1 person dying every 10 minutes of hundreds a day sounds like the world is coming to an end. This is the type of stuff I’m asking people to take a serious look at and use science to make rationale decisions. Hundreds of thousands of people die from other single factors every day making the death rate per se for heart attacks or drunk driving, much higher, 5-10x higher at 1 or 2 per minute.

The media sensationalism does not help nor does this type of stuff. Yes, is the disease deadly to some, yes! Yes it is! But we walk outside every day knowing we could die, millions upon millions of people die everyday from so many things, and this doesn’t get reported. I’m not trying to make light of anyone’s death, but I’m trying to put things into perspective, and not enough people are doing that.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death (US ONLY):
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Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
 
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To all you Americans who aren’t taking this seriously, just you wait and see. With nearly 1000 deaths a day in Italy now, around 300 a day in Spain, over a hundred in France and the UK rising up to the 100 mark as is the US you won’t know what hit you. The amount of so called Pro life people using stats of other illnesses to justify their indifference is disgraceful. Even the MOST conservative estimates of the mortality rate of this virus is at 1%, the flu is merely 0.1%. The morality percentage increases depending on how well the hospital system can cope which is why with increasing cases beyond the Hospitals limit the mortality rate will increase.

I’m actually disgusted by two types of people, those who are panic buying and acting selfishly and those on a Catholic website justifying their indifference by giving Stats of other illnesses that kill hundreds of thousands as if that just means we should just let this one go aswell and see what happens. This virus if it infects as much as the Flu has the potential to kill millions, thats a conservative estimate by the way. Stop with your silly stats which highlight the limits of your own intelligence. You can’t compare one virus in history to this one which is in it’s infancy stage with death totals, stop and think about what you are saying.

We will get through this, the world will go on but future generations will judge us on how we acted, what we don’t want is a bunch of nutters hoarding groceries or on the other extreme not giving any consideration for anyone but themselves by saying oh well millions die a year from other illnesses so lets just sit back and leave this be, just don’t inconvenience my life.
 
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JoeFreedom,
The thing that really causes me angst about this virus is that it kills so many men…men of all ages. If it doesn’t kill, it sickens them very much.
That really bothers me.
It should bother you and everyone else too.
There is no backdrop, perspective or statistic you can offer that will take my concern away.
 
"Flattening the curve ’ means spreading out the infections (not deaths). Hopefully the number of deaths is markedly reduced because medical resources are not overwhelmed, and increased experience in treatment
 
HarryStotle said:
The reason for that may be because they were infected with the virus while taking anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen.
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It may be but I think highly unlikely.
HarryStotle said:
The serious cases in young people are patients who have taken anti-inflammatory drugs at the beginning of the disease (ibuprofen, naproxen, voltarene, diclofenac, etc.) should be avoided.
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no, just no
 
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For everyone, Please listen if you want some real understanding…
Sent to me from a friend & pilot in the military…

 
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I agree…there is suspicion that ibuprofen may worsen the symptoms but it is purely anecdotal at this time. It’s an excellent fever reducer…something Tylenol is not…any fevers alone can cause problems. Let’s wait for more than anecdotes, please!
 
Ah another challenge to find out why WHO issued this warning, what was their evidence 👍🦠🌡️
 
this so far

The concern began after a study in The LancetTrusted Source stated that ibuprofen boosts the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which may facilitate and worsen COVID-19. As a result, WHO originally warned most patients to stick with acetaminophen, which is also known as paracetamol or Tylenol.

Patients likely have increased ACE2 expression if they’re treated with ACE inhibitors, angiotensin II type I receptor blockers (ARBs), or thiazolidinediones, the report noted. Those drugs are commonly taken by those with cardiovascular disease, hypertension, and diabetes. Ibuprofen can also increase ACE2, the study noted.
 
Paddy1989 said:
To all you Americans who aren’t taking this seriously, just you wait and see. With nearly 1000 deaths a day in Italy now, around 300 a day in Spain, over a hundred in France and the UK rising up to the 100 mark as is the US you won’t know what hit you. The amount of so called Pro life people using stats of other illnesses to justify their indifference is disgraceful. Even the MOST conservative estimates of the mortality rate of this virus is at 1%, the flu is merely 0.1%. The morality percentage increases depending on how well the hospital system can cope which is why with increasing cases beyond the Hospitals limit the mortality rate will increase.

I’m actually disgusted by two types of people, those who are panic buying and acting selfishly and those on a Catholic website justifying their indifference by giving Stats of other illnesses that kill hundreds of thousands as if that just means we should just let this one go aswell and see what happens. This virus if it infects as much as the Flu has the potential to kill millions, thats a conservative estimate by the way. Stop with your silly stats which highlight the limits of your own intelligence. You can’t compare one virus in history to this one which is in it’s infancy stage with death totals, stop and think about what you are saying.

We will get through this, the world will go on but future generations will judge us on how we acted, what we don’t want is a bunch of nutters hoarding groceries or on the other extreme not giving any consideration for anyone but themselves by saying oh well millions die a year from other illnesses so lets just sit back and leave this be, just don’t inconvenience my life.
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Look, i think you are completely misreading people’s motives for attempting to view things in a positive light. It is easy for people to panic and become completely despairing over the situation because of the unknown factors.

Those looking for positive information are NOT attempting to “justify their indifference” nor are they “disgraceful.”

They are attempting to retain a degree of calm and sanity and hopefulness using the positive information that there is available.

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…oh well millions die a year from other illnesses so lets just sit back and leave this be, just don’t inconvenience my life.
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They are attempting to mitigate the dire news with some hopeful signs by citing information that could show some positivity.
 
Look, i think you are completely misreading people’s motives for attempting to view things in a positive light. It is easy for people to panic and become completely despairing over the situation because of the unknown factors.

Those looking for positive information are NOT attempting to “justify their indifference” nor are they “disgraceful.”

They are attempting to retain a degree of calm and sanity and hopefulness using the positive information that there is available.

No one is making the jump from comparisons to the flu to …
Paddy1989 said:
…oh well millions die a year from other illnesses so lets just sit back and leave this be, just don’t inconvenience my life.
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They are attempting to mitigate the dire news with some hopeful signs by citing information that could show some positivity.
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I understand that we shouldn’t panic and there is no reason why we should however downplaying it is just as bad and irrational as panicking wouldn’t you agree? Also what i have noticed on many right ring pages of FB by the likes of Ben Shapiro and others which claim to be Pro life aswell as on here is that they feel that trying too hard to control the spread of this virus is draconian and wrong and an overreaction, i have even heard many blame Italy’s socialist hospital system for the death toll when in reality it’s because like the US Italy was complacent and the infection rate grew too fast for their hospitals to handle.

The US in a few weeks will be in a similar scenario though i bet those same people spouting such political venom will be eating their words and realize how bad underestimating this can be. Yes there is no need for panic but lets no compare this to other illnesses or the flu which posts above me with Stats clearly tried to, it’s not the same. The death-toll can either be in the thousands or millions, how we act will determine that
 
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Here are the predicted cases for Australia in the next few weeks, which will make that country in a bigger covid19 crisis then Italy

this is what doctors are saying is going to happen in Australia

“On current growth rates the 370 cases in Australia today will be 750 on Friday, 1500 on Tuesday next week, 3000 next Saturday, 6000 on the 1st of April and 12,000 by the 4th of April,” the open letter read before total numbers climbed to 452 on Tuesday.

“This is less than three weeks from now and puts us in a worse position than Italy is currently in.”

Anyone got projected outlooks for other countries?
 
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