The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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…Years ago everyone in the tropics would be issued this drug when there was a malaria outbreak. My big sister and I were just discussing it. She has fond memories of it. they would all take it, but still get RRF and the like…
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haha. Big sis was right! “I had the same thing happen to me…” 😀

Seriously, although it seems like a lifetime ago in a land far, far away - I still remember the “grief” caused from those dam malaria pills! It took about one round of serving them up for the captain to realize he would have to hand them out in shifts - or the whole outfit would be laying sick in their racks for 4 to 6 hours after taking one! The stomach pain was excruciating! I can’t remember the name though, but it was probably one the mefloquine variants?!

Regards!
 
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My big sis still uses this drug now in an updated form, she has an autoimmune disease. I told her to stockpile and stash, she replies with back in the days of the malaria drug dinosaurs! But at least they had plenty mangoes and dragon fruits in the tropics. Her advice is Eat lots of fruit atm. They did that too.
On a serious note The Kingdom of Jordan is about to start using this drug for covid 19.

A new reported Covid19 symptom is loss of taste and smell.
 
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H. Ford: “Why does it always have to be snakes bats?”
S. Spielberg: “Because, Indy, since this a religious forum, we’re going to use crucifixes to dispel Dracula in this new adventure!”

Since you and others had previously mentioned bats, I poked around on Google and the first thing that popped up was an article from 10 years ago discussing the methodology of scientists in the Philippines sourcing bats from Japan and China to fiddle around with Coronaviruses in 2008!

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I had no idea that the world has known about strains of Coronavirus for at least 12 years?! I mean I saw the “novel” prefix to this one but Holy Cow! Talk about slow to react… 🤐
 
SARS and MERS were also coronaviruses that gained much notice during the 2000’s. But maybe you never heard of them? Look them up.

This isn’t nearly as farfetched let alone nefarious as you might be implying.

One more: while most common colds are caused by rhinoviruses, a small percentage are caused by lesser known coronaviruses and these cold-causing coronaviruses have been around a long time.
 
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OurLadyofSorrows said:
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HarryStotle:
Edit: I have also heard quite a different position from a respirologist who explained the kind of interstitial pneumonia triggered by COVID-19 as a kind of over-reaction of the body’s immune system to the virus
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That is a curious but logical response to me. Interested to hear more
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I am not an expert on either the immune system or respiration, but his claim was that “people of our age” (He is retired and in his sixties, as am I) have a highly responsive immune system owing to years of battling infections and such. The way these “highly developed” immune systems respond to a particularly invasive virus such as COVID-19 is to trigger an intense kind of inflammatory response that actually reduces the capacity of the lungs to take in oxygen because of the swelling of tissue (He referred to the condition as interstitial rather than bacteria pneumonia).

That would mean the case of anti-inflammatory drugs (in the current discussion) is more complicated than “don’t use anti-inflammatories” because in the case of those whose immune systems over-react, anti-inflammatories might be helpful, but in the case of younger patients who do need the body to supply more blood to the lungs to increase oxygen exchange capacity they would be detrimental.

This is just my take and, like I said, I am not an expert. He was a respirologist for 37 years before retiring about 6 yeas ago. He seemed to know what he was talking about.
 
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H. Ford: “Why does it always have to be snakes bats?”
S. Spielberg: “Because, Indy, since this a religious forum, we’re going to use crucifixes to dispel Dracula in this new adventure!”

Since you and others had previously mentioned bats, I poked around on Google and the first thing that popped up was an article from 10 years ago discussing the methodology of scientists in the Philippines sourcing bats from Japan and China to fiddle around with Coronaviruses in 2008!

HERE

I had no idea that the world has known about strains of Coronavirus for at least 12 years?! I mean I saw the “novel” prefix to this one but Holy Cow! Talk about slow to react… 🤐
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CoronaVirus first came up for us about a year and a half ago. Our cat developed a condition called feline infectious peritonitis (FIP) which is basically a mutation of a strain of the corona virus called feline enteric coronavirus. FIP is avirulent which means it is not at all contagious, but I believe feline enteric coronavirus is contagious among cats.

The mutation (FIP) of the original feline enteric coronavirus moves into vital organs in the cat where the intense inflammatory reaction of the cat’s own body shuts down organ functions. The original virus is basically harmless to cats, but FIP is almost always fatal because of the intense inflammatory reaction of the cat’s immune system.

This takes us back to my last post addressing how the “over-reaction” of the body’s own immune system may be implicated in the severity of the disease.
 
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Dogs get vaccinated against corona virus, That has led to some interesting fb posts lately
 
On flattening the curve, current thinking is if we are too successful, this will drag on too long and be bad for economies, worse then it already looks.

Some are saying we have to lockdown, stay home until a vaccine is found. When a vaccine is found, it will not initially be available to eveyone.

One very excellent piece of advice is quit smoking and vaping. Covid 19 attacks the lungs
 
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Paddy1989:
The amount of so called Pro life…
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What exactly does that have to do with this virus?
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I’ve read many comments by those from Catholics and other right wing followers of the likes of Ben Shapiro who claim to be Pro life that this is blown over proportion and that in the scheme of things isn’t too bad and risking the stability of the economy isn’t worth it over risking the large number of deaths that could occur. They compare the death toll to other diseases and therefore look on the damage this virus has caused with indifference, being pro life is not just standing up for the life of the unborn for EVERYONE especially the elderly where this virus for some has a 20% mortality rate
 
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Paddy1989:
being pro life is…
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Thought so.
It has nothing at all to do with it.

It’s all about some talking point that you want to shoehorn into the dialogue.
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I suggest you read my comment again and understand what i mean when i say Pro life
 
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Paddy1989:
Your the only person who…
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You took a poll?
Seems to me the conclusion has been drawn on nothing more than disagreement with your statement.
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i’m not interested in getting into an argument, if you fail to understand what is meant by Pro life then of course your not going to see the hypocrisy of those who are indifferent to the victims of this virus while claiming to care about the lives of the unborn
 
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Paddy1989 said:
i’m not interested in getting into an argument,
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Right. You just want to toss out sound bites that have nothing to do with the pandemic.
Paddy1989 said:
if you fail to understand what is meant by Pro life
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‘is?’
Earlier you were describing what you meant by pro life…now you have sidestepped into claiming yours is the only possible definition?
Paddy1989 said:
then of course your not going to see the hypocrisy of those who are indifferent to the victims of this virus
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No one is indifferent.
That is just your preconceived notion projected upon people you dislike.

Again I ask…what exactly is the abortion argument to do with our response to the present pandemic?
 
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Paddy1989:
i’m not interested in getting into an argument,
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Right. You just want to toss out sound bites that have nothing to do with the pandemic.
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if you fail to understand what is meant by Pro life
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‘is?’
Earlier you were describing what you meant by pro life…now you have sidestepped into claiming yours is the only possible definition?
Paddy1989 said:
then of course your not going to see the hypocrisy of those who are indifferent to the victims of this virus
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No one is indifferent.
That is just your preconceived notion projected upon people you dislike.

Again I ask…what exactly is the abortion argument to do with our response to the present pandemic?
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I see my comment has touched a nerve which is not my intention, there are people who are indifferent especially in the US today in the sense they feel this virus doesn’t warrant the response we have given to it and we should let it take it’s toll giving stats of other diseases falsely claiming to be much worse which we do nothing about.

The indifference as i said i have noticed mostly from people who claim to be Pro life such as those who follow the likes of Ben Shapiro and even those on here who feel the response is an over-reaction which is hippo-critical to say the least. Claiming there is no indifference is based off your own experience not mine.

I’ll explain it again, being Pro -life means recognizing the intrinsic value and dignity of ALL human life, not just the unborn, the elderly matter aswell and the greater our response the more we prove that
 
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Paddy1989 said:
there are people who are indifferent especially in the US today in the sense they feel this virus doesn’t warrant the response we have given to it
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That is not the definition of indifferent.
But I do understand the point.
The argument is not holding up so well, so we need to change some words around to make it fit the narrative.

No one is indifferent to those hardest hit by this outbreak. Many do, however, disagree with what you believe is the correct course of action.
Disagreement with you does not mean they are wrong, indifferent, or otherwise.

Given the anger apparent in the posts, as well as the mislabeling, it would seem a nerve was struck long ago on a topic completely different from this one… perhaps one that did involve abortion. I would suggest taking it up in it’s own thread. The pro life community is not responsible for your anger.
 
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Paddy1989:
there are people who are indifferent especially in the US today in the sense they feel this virus doesn’t warrant the response we have given to it
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That is not the definition of indifferent.
But I do understand the point.
The argument is not holding up so well, so we need to change some words around to make it fit the narrative.

No one is indifferent to those hardest hit by this outbreak. Many do, however, disagree with what you believe is the correct course of action.
Disagreement with you does not mean they are wrong, indifferent, or otherwise.

Given the anger apparent in the posts, as well as the mislabeling, it would seem a nerve was struck long ago on a topic completely different from this one… perhaps one that did involve abortion. I would suggest taking it up in it’s own thread. The pro life community is not responsible for your anger.
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I disagree, probably the most indifferent posts were those i seen on the Ben Shapiro pages but there appear to be some on here who aren’t swayed too much by the rising and potential death toll and merely compare it to other diseases to try and justify this.

Again as i said many who claim to be right wing and Pro life were coming out with some pretty shocking comments such as it’s Italy’s own fault due to their socialist health system, that the world’s population is too high anyway etc and others who say well it’s only killed 8,000, 10,000, 15,000 so far so the flu is much worse, lets not worry too much about it and get on with things as normal which actually will multiply the death-toll many times over. Such people who claim to be pro life and against the murder of the unborn and yet with this crisis don’t feel much of a response is warranted especially if it’s economical, thats the hypocrisy i see. Thankfully the response from the majority of Christians has been positive
 
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