The new Coronovirus, Covid-19 and its spread globally

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I agree that the first days of the virus, there was tremendous hoarding and people buying up everything on the shelves…but, were three weeks later now and purchases are limited to one per family. Shelves are empty of TP, hand sanitizer, Lysol air spray and products like bleach, other disinfectants, etc. are hit or miss…mostly miss.

I gather that it’s a supply chain problem. Truckers can’t make long hauls due to rest stop closures and closed restaurants. I know it will end eventually and I hope the hoarders wind up sitting on a lifetime supply of TP they’ll never use…nor can sell!
 
I gather that it’s a supply chain problem.
That and there is a shift in demand. For instance, it turns out that the toilet paper they provide to institutions is different than the stuff they sell to the home market. (For instance, the stuff already produced for institutional use is produced in rolls that are too big for many home spools.)

It turns out that a lot of what is used in the US is institutional use–schools, office buildings, malls, airports and so on. Toilet paper plants already run at close to capacity, so shifting over to make more of the kind appropriate for the home market isn’t something that can be done on a dime, especially when there was an artificially high demand spike due to the profiteers. It isn’t that we’re going to run out of toilet paper, but we’re not going to be able to buy as freely as we’re used to buying.

Hand sanitizer isn’t trivial to make. There are cosmetics firms that are switching over, but it doesn’t happen over a weekend. It is hard to remember, but we haven’t been in this crisis for very long yet.
 
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:denmark: Denmark continues easing their lockdown:

Hairdressers, dentists, tattooists and driving school instructors will be allowed to resume work.
The courts will reopen on 27 April. Cafes, restaurants and schools for ages 12 and over will not. Those who are allowed to go back to work but feel the time is not yet right will still be allowed to claim government compensation.
As soon as details of the relaxation became clear, one of Denmark’s biggest online hairdresser booking systems, ordering.nu, crashed, Ekstra Bladet reported. The newspaper suggested that Danes crying out for a haircut had all tried to book at the same time.
🇩🇪 Germany plans on reopening schools on May 4.


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Alert level 3 still has many restrictions and does not allow more social activity, though allows more commerce to re-open.
Any businesses needing to prepare to move into level 3 could be accessed, Ardern said, as could schools, to prepare for the return of pupils. April 28 will be a teachers’ only day and April 29 will be the first day of term.

On businesses accessing their premises, it wasn’t an invitation to open or trade, she said - just to prepare.
 
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Covid-19 Pay Cuts

Beware of large companies claiming there’s some fait accompli need for employees to take a pay cut.

I’m not taking a pay cut so that the people asking me to do so can keep their business-class air tickets, expensive hotel suites and self-indulgent rental car convenience.

If your employer presses you to accept a pay cut, it’s not unreasonable to say…“you first”.
Show me the company Profit and Loss report evidence that net profit after tax is approaching the red ink level.

You show me your EBITDA and I’ll show you mine. I can’t take a pay cut because my household operating expenses aren’t decreasing.

Corporations can learn to live with a Covid-19 not_for_profit caring and sharing mentality for a little while. After all, the rest of us know what it’s like when earnings barely cover expenses.

Remember - these are the corporations that preach to us about ‘woke’ social values - love, tolerance, gender theory, reproductive rights (aka abortion) Let’s make them practice what they preach and put people before profits. Catholic charities and NGO’s operate using a not-for-profit model. Business can do the same and keep people employed.
Don’t let your employer pressure you to take a pay cut (because business is slow.)

If business is down by 30% that’s not an argument to cut your pay. At best, it’s an argument to cut your hours.

Tell your employer that you might be willing to go from a 5 day week to a 4 day week. Or start work an hour later and finish an hour earlier each day.
 
There has been no sign of toilet paper around here. Lol not even the smallest pack in the smallest store
While the situation here is not as difficult as yours, it seems, this problem seems to be universal.

A religious brother Emmanuel Philippart, who works in a catholic high school have published this drawing in the local newspaper:
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traduction:
“I don’t understand all the people who make enormous stock of toilet paper
_ In my opinion, they confuse the coronavirus with the faithfull gastro disease”.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sante/v...avirus-giel-l-humour-defie-la-gravite-6806029

My french diary have also speak of this problem, people who stock too much toilet paper.
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Confinement diary. For pandemic prevention Family Life
For people confine at home because of the coronavirus pandemic, or interested in lerning how life is when a country has stopped his activity and the majority of people are called to stay at home, woking at distance or put to temporary unployment. I open this post. The last dramatic epidemic we had was the spanish flu (a bird fu), more than a century ago, that had killed 1/4 of Europeans. We never had in France, such measures taken by a governement, not even duing WWII. Friday March 13 was the…
 
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There is a symptom of Corona Virus that swells toes and makes them quite sensitive and painful to touch. This is showing up especially in children.
 
Another thought.
If you get this virus, it is over in 2 weeks one way or another.
So is that 3 million current cases or total that have had the virus since December?
 
Another thought.
If you get this virus, it is over in 2 weeks one way or another.
So is that 3 million current cases or total that have had the virus since December?
No, even in the “all bleeding eventually stops” sense, COVID-19 isn’t an infection that you get and it is guaranteed to be “over” in 2 weeks. Where did you get that idea? As bad as real influenza is (and most doctors tell me that the people who think it is nothing have never had a real case), this is a different infection.
Here is one account, by a respiratory therapist. Mind you, a doctor has told me that the struggling patient being described ought to have been sedated; that is not the point! The point is to show that this infection presents in a way that is beyond the day-to-day experience of many health care workers, even those who are familiar with ICUs and serious cases of pneumonia:
“It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy $%#t, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.

“When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”
 
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No, even in the “all bleeding eventually stops” sense, COVID-19 isn’t an infection that you get and it is guaranteed to be “over” in 2 weeks. Where did you get that idea? As bad as real influenza is (and most doctors tell me that the people who think it is nothing have never had a real case), this is a different infection.
So are you saying that once caught it is permanent?
 
So are you saying that once caught it is permanent?
How did “no it can last longer than two weeks” turn into “it is permanent”? I meant that there isn’t some guarantee that you’ll be right as rain two weeks after your infection date. Fighting the infection and then recovering afterwards can take much longer than that: I mean even from admission date to the hospital until release from the hospital, let alone full recovery. But yes, actually, now that you mention it, the damage to the organs can be the permanent kind.

Like other respiratory illnesses, COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lasting lung damage…While most people recover from pneumonia without any lasting lung damage, the pneumonia associated with COVID-19 may be severe. Even after the disease has passed, lung injury may result in breathing difficulties that might take months to improve… Another possible complication of a severe case of COVID-19 is sepsis. Sepsis occurs when an infection reaches, and spreads through, the bloodstream, causing tissue damage everywhere it goes… Sepsis, even when survived, can leave a patient with lasting damage to the lungs and other organs…

After a serious case of COVID-19, a patient’s lungs can recover, but not overnight. “Recovery from lung damage takes time,” Galiatsatos says. “There’s the initial injury to the lungs, followed by scarring. Over time, the tissue heals, but it can take three months to a year or more for a person’s lung function to return to pre-COVID-19 levels.”



Two weeks is an estimate of how long someone who got infected might be able to infect others even if asymptomatic. It is the amount of time required for someone who has had a serious exposure to self-isolate before returning to contact with other people: an EMT who, without using PPE, treated a patient only to find later that the patient is COVID-19 positive, for instance. It’s a best guess, but it is just a guess. No one has found a stopwatch on this virus yet.
 
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How did “no it can last longer than two weeks” turn into “it is permanent”? I meant that there isn’t some guarantee that you’ll be right as rain two weeks after your infection date.
Ok.
I must have missed the specific quote.

Either way, does the 3 million figure being reported reflect this?

Are they simply reporting how many have been, or are they adjusting down when people recover?
 
Ok.
I must have missed the specific quote.

Either way, does the 3 million figure being reported reflect this?

Are they simply reporting how many have been, or are they adjusting down when people recover?
That is a very good question. It is 3 million cases reported to public health authorities, but the criteria for including someone as a case varies. In many places, too, a scarcity of testing meant that many cases were not reported. If they become known later, they’re added to the figures. For instance, the victim in California whose tissue samples were sent to CDC at autopsy. The public health authorities didn’t classify the person as a COVID-19 case until after the results came back. In other places, they didn’t have the resources to do testing at autopsy, so if someone wasn’t diagnosed prior to death, they weren’t counted. In other places, someone might be counted as a presumptive case, then re-classified if their tests come back negative. The numbers mean something a little different in different places at different times, and they are subject to change. We probably won’t have a really good idea until there is enough antibody testing available to get a better idea of how many asymptomatic or very mild cases there have been. (New York did such testing; I think they got about 25% infection in NYC but only about 3% out in the more rural parts of the state.) Some countries had a one-day jump in their death count when they got around to asking nursing homes how many COVID-19 patients had died outside hospitals.

The latest figures I can find (worldwide)
3,199,277 cases total (active, deaths and recoveries combined)
1,979,528 active cases of which
1,919,739 ( 97 %) are in relatively mild condition and
59,789 ( 3 %) are in serious or critical condition
1,219,749 cases with an outcome of which
992,959 ( 81 %) have recovered at least enough for discharge
226,790 ( 19 %) died

It often takes less time to die than to recover, so the ratio between deaths and recoveries looks very bad in the middle of things when more of the identified cases are the really serious ones. (The fatality rate among cases that need ICU care is really high.) In places where there are more resolved cases and where the testing has caught up so that less-seriously-ill people can get testing, the ratio is far more in favor of mild cases and ultimately recovery…in the 99%/1% range(? I can’t find a current source for that). On the other hand, obviously a big problem with this disease is how a case that was mild or moderate yesterday can be severe or fatal within a matter of days or even hours.

Short answer: it is a moving target. People die without being identified COVID-19 and they get infected and recover without being identified COVID-19. Based on previous epidemics, there will never be an exact count.
 
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Indeed.
Given many states share covid test results with law enforcement, I know many that now say they will never be willingly tested.
Why not? I don’t understand? Besides, HIPPA laws preclude sharing personal medical information. The public health authorities only get information that has the identities of the patients removed. The professional penalty for violating that law is very serious. Is it because personal information is necessary to trace contacts? That’s not needed if the testing is antibody testing, which counts people who aren’t infectious any more. There is no reason that information would be shared.
 
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Many distrust law enforcement, government, or simply consider it none of their business.

And since the only way to keep it out of their business is to avoid tests, that is exactly what I now see people doing.
I can understand wanting to keep a sense of privacy. Still, decision-making cannot help but be “garbage in, garbage out.” If people making decisions don’t get accurate information, it isn’t fair to expect them to make decisions that are accurate. Excepting dumb luck to the rescue, they are doomed to guess wrong. Why pay taxes and give them a job to do, then set them up to fail by withholding cooperation with no particular reason for finding it burdensome or hazardous?
 
Why pay taxes and give them a job to do, then set them up to fail by withholding cooperation with no particular reason for finding it burdensome or hazardous?
It isn’t their business.
If I have an ambulance at my house, I expect they will be using standard precautions.
These should be in place regardless.
Same with police…and fire.

So if they all employee standard precautions for every address, they have no need to know my private health information.

Can you imagine the outcry if they started telling police where AIDS patients live?
 
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