The organisation behind the Idol (Pachamama) disposal

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Right. And removing the statues from the Church is a public service to the Church, anyhow.

I think you raised the point, that for them to do this, yet remain hidden, would not be very genuine. If you are going to do such a thing, then the right thing to do is give an account for your actions.

The only reason I could understand for criticizing the men, is that they didnt go to the parish priest and allow for the pastor to remove it himself.

But I still dont think that means they were wrong to remove it.

The only thing that would make them wrong for removing it, is if the statue is recognized as NOT related to a pagan goddess.

Pope Francis himself confirmed they represent Pachamama. Therefore, it can be justly removed from a Catholic Church.
 
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Ammi said:
I think you raised the point, that for them to do this, yet remain hidden, would not be very genuine. If you are going to do such a thing, then the right thing to do is give an account for your actions.
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Yes, I think if they didnt give an account for what they did and say why they did it, they would then be accused of being cowards or something else, so either way, no matter what they do now, they will be criticized.
 
C. S. Lewis disagreed with Christians who denounced ancient Paganism. He found the pre-Christian myths and practices to contain elements of truth as well as error.

In the same way I wouldn’t ridicule an ancient scholar who believed the Earth is flat, but also somewhat accurately describes the geography in his region.

But what would you say about a modern teacher who claims the Earth is flat (gaining lots of publicity) who wants to put his exhibit not in a museum but in the school? He demands equal time with the Round Earth theory.

Would you trust his (name removed by moderator)ut for your 2019 Geography Synod?

If people had stolen idols from a museum, I would be saddened. But that’s not where they stole them from.

I think cigarette commercials from the 1950s shouldn’t be deleted, let them be archived somewhere. No disrespect for people who made them. Then. But should cigarette commercials be on TV now?
 
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Have you been reading this thread? They were tossed into the river. And the perpetrators are bragging about it and asking for money.
 
blackforest said:
Have you been reading this thread? They were tossed into the river. And the perpetrators are bragging about it and asking for money.
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I have.
But the accusation of vandalism implies damage.
I have not seen or heard of any damage to these statues.

If you have documentation of damage, please let me know.
 
Who cares if they were damaged anyway? They’re idols. Those of us who support this don’t care and neither do we care what those who oppose it think in response. We shouldn’t even pretend.
 
Fair enough. It’s just that it’s not an accusation about which I could get any more worked up than I could when people say that items that have no business in a church are removed to a river incorrectly being labeled as theft, which is a worse accusation and more pertinent. Especially when I would have been happier if they’d been removed to a pyre.
 
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There’s already documentation, including their own admission, that the statues were thrown into the river? Do you really need additional documentation to know what happens to wood submerged in water long-term?

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MiserereMeiDei said:
Who cares if they were damaged anyway? They’re idols.
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They’re idols only if we worship them. Otherwise, they’re wood . . . .wood that was stolen and damaged by people who weren’t its rightful owners.
 
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Nope. They are idols because they represent the false deity known as p-mama. His Holiness said so. We can then add to that the images and videos of people prostrating themselves before the images of p-mama, which is a false god of the pagans. You can lie to yourself but you can’t lie to me. You know all this because it’s been pointed out numerous times in multiple threads. If you want to defend idols in the church that’s on you. I won’t join you in such folly.

They are idols, removed from a church as they should have been since they are not permitted in a church. If you want to keep your p-mama idols safe, don’t put them in churches. Keep them next to your holes in the ground where you throw food.
 
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They should have been burned and those responsible made to drink the ashes.
 
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MiserereMeiDei said:
You can lie to yourself but you can’t lie to me.
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I’m not lying and am sorry to hear you accuse me of doing so. They’re just wood if I don’t worship them. While you’re at it, be sure to steal and damage these because they represent Kamadhenu, the Hindu bovine goddess.
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No, I want documentation that these statues were damaged or defaced.
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Throwing wood into water damages wood. They were therefore damaged. I’m finished explaining this to you.
 
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blackforest said:
I’m not lying and am sorry to hear you accuse me of doing so.
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My assumption was that you know better but are trying to deceive yourself for the sake of misguided charity to those responsible for this sacrilege. I guess it’s possible you don’t. I don’t know how that’s better.
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They’re just wood if I don’t worship them.
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Idols are just wood and stone. Doesn’t make them not idols. It makes them idols you don’t worship.
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While you’re at it, be sure to steal and damage these because they represent Kamadhenu, the Hindu bovine goddess.
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You must have forgotten the link. Are ‘these’ in a church? If so they should be removed. If not, I don’t care what pagans do in pagan places.
 
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