The Oscars are going vegan

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blackforest showing evidence he either did not read or else understand my posts (that could be my fault btw).
So Hollywood elites are going to be forced - FORCED!!! - to spend one evening eating a gourmet vegan meal??? Oh the humanity!
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My concern was never over being served a vegan meal.

Now that you know that, I want you to attempt to articulate what you think my real concern is?

If you get it, we can have the discussion.

If not, then it’s back to the drawing board.
 
Roselle . . .
Does not sound new for him and his diet. For some reason I remember Phoenix’s older brother talking about his diet and families diet while growing up.
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Thanks Roselle for this (name removed by moderator)ut.

But I just want to clarify, my concern is not about Phoenix’s diet (“for him and his diet”).

It is not about people at the Oscars diet either (but it appears as though there have been attempts to obscure my concern so I can see WHY some might get that wrong idea).

My concern is about what THEY want to FORCE upon YOU or ME in this sphere.
. . . “I think now consuming animal products is no longer just a personal choice,” (Joaquin) Phoenix said. . . .
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Cathoholic said:
schools refusing to serve meat at politicians dictates with “ consuming ” meat
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Someone can get 🥩. Just not if you are a student in NYC public grade schools on a day that starts with M that is only considering the school provided options.

Hey, this is like that awatd party that you aren’t going to. Why the outrage at what someone (that isn’t you) is eating?
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what you think my real concern is?
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That someone has expressed an opinion on which there is disagreement.

Here’s one that might be found disagreeable.

I think it is good if people drink plenty of water and limit soda and sugar intake in their diet.
 
I haven’t been a meat eater for many years. However, it is no vegetarian’s or vegan’s business whether or not others choose to eat meat or meat products. What one chooses to eat is personal and should remain so.
 
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JonNC . . .
As long as children (and teachers) are not prohibited from bringing their own lunch which contains meat, I see no problem with meatless Monday, other than the “save the planet” political nonsense.
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That’s fine.

I disagree.

Maybe you will change you mind when “Meatless Tuesday” gets added, or meatless lunches get foisted upon the kids’ lunch programs. Or if a “Green meat tax” gets assessed upon YOU.
. . . “I think now consuming animal products is no longer just a personal choice,” (Joaquin) Phoenix said. . . .
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meltzerboy2 said:
I haven’t been a meat eater for many years. However, it is no vegetarian’s or vegan’s business whether or not others choose to eat meat or meat products. What one chooses to eat is personal and should remain so.
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Very true. I hate pasta but don’t bully people into not eating it. I also love chocolate but don’t bully people into eating it.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
I haven’t been a meat eater for many years. However, it is no vegetarian’s or vegan’s business whether or not others choose to eat meat or meat products. What one chooses to eat is personal and should remain so.
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One would think…
 
ThinkingSapien still attempting to deflect the point . . .,
Someone can get 🥩
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To the people here.

Go back and read.

See if Cathoholic ever said “people can’t get meat”.

Don’t fall for ThinkingSapien’s fallacious argumentation.
. . . “I think now consuming animal products is no longer just a personal choice,” (Joaquin) Phoenix said. . . .
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LeafByNiggle . . .
I think atheists have a better case of fearing the Catholics will some day force the whole country to avoid meat on Fridays in Lents than . . .
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Yes LeafByNiggle. I am sure YOU do believe that. That does not surprise me that YOU think this.
 
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LeafByNiggle . . .
I think atheists have a better case of fearing the Catholics will some day force the whole country to avoid meat on Fridays in Lents than . . .
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I don’t believe Catholics would ever do that. Nor do I believe there is a serious chance of this choice by the Oscars party ever forcing you or me to give up meat. Now if you will excuse me, I have a steak to prepare for lunch.
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Gripper said:
I hate it when vegans bully other people into being vegan. There is a small football team in England where the owner is vegan and he stops the team eating meat, he won’t sell it to the fans and doesn’t allow the visiting team to bring non-vegan foods.
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If you mean the GFR, the rule applies only to the stadium concessions. Fans at most sporting events are prohibited from bringing in outside food to the game, so that is nothing new. The GFR does not place any restrictions on what the team eats away from the stadium.

The “bullying” you speak of is not a thing.
 
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For the readers here.

I am defending IN PRINCIPLE,
people like ThinkingSapien’s right to a personal choice to eat meat or vegan or whatever (within reason).

There are people that want to remove that “personal choice” right. Phoenix is one of them. He is quite open about it. There are others.
. . . “I think now consuming animal products is no longer just a personal choice,” (Joaquin) Phoenix said. . . .
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And I am kind enough to expose it so you can
be vigilant for yourselves.

ThinkingSapien’s response for something that promotes ThinkingSapien’s “personal choice” in this sphere?

Ridicule by fallacy and attempts to be cute (that are not funny).

You will have to draw your own conclusions, but in my opinion, it is
yet another illustration of
the self-destructive tendencies of some people’s ideas.

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. . . “I think now consuming animal products is no longer just a personal choice,” (Joaquin) Phoenix said. . . .
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LeafByNiggle . . .
Nor do I believe there is a serious chance of this choice by the Oscars party ever forcing you or me to give up meat.
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Good grief.

This is the fallacy of equivocation and it is running rampant here. This is the kind of argumentation you will see when other ideas are so bad, they cannot stand by themselves.

So they have to invent “devil” ideas to oppose.

Go back and read and see if Cathoholic ever expressed concern over Oscar-folks “forcing you to give up meat”.

I have stated and re-stated my concern is not about an Oscar party.

It is about ideas.

Ideas from people who think in such a way, as to conclude you no longer have a “personal choice”.
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I stand by everything I have said here.
 
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LeafByNiggle to @Gripper . . .
The “bullying” you speak of is not a thing.
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This is just plain wrong and I’m sure you know that.

I have been personally subject to being berated by some of these people for eating meat.

LeafByNiggle is wrong.
 
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meltzerboy2 . . .
However, it is no vegetarian’s or vegan’s business whether or not others choose to eat meat or meat products.
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Great point meltzerboy2!

But my concern (for this thread anyway) is not over “vegetarian’s or vegan’s” attitudes per se.

It is over people who want to (mis)use Government to IMPOSE these ideas upon you.

They may not even be “vegetarian’s or vegan’s” themselves.

They may be just people who want to CONTROL what others do for whatever reason (save the planet from cow flatus, being kind to animals being re-defined as to not be able to eat animals, get on the popular idea in Hollywood bandwagon for OTHERS to do, or whatever).

All I want here is to see there are
influential people who
do not want this to be your “personal choice”.

THEY think THEY should be making YOUR decisions here.
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Cathoholic said:
If have stated and re-stated my concern is not about an Oscar party.

It is about ideas .
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There was no “idea” being floated that you or anyone else should be denied the right to eat meat. That would be a gross exaggeration of the idea that was proposed. This issue is not the big culture war issue you are making it out to be. It is just the Oscars.
 
LeafByNiggle . . .
There was no “idea” being floated that you or anyone else should be denied the right to eat meat.
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I disagree. That’s part of the whole point of this thread.
. . . “I think now consuming animal products is no longer just a personal choice,” (Joaquin) Phoenix said. . . .
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LeafByNiggle . . .
Are you sure it was “berating” and not just someone expressing an opinion that you were wrong? That’s not bullying.
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Now I’ve got LeafByNiggle trying to think for me and tell me about my own personal interactions. Leaf thinking he can be calling into question my own experiences.

This is an ILLUSTRATION of just the kind of attitude I am trying to convey to you readers here.

You will have to draw your own conclusions.
 
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