The Pfleger-ization of the Catholic Church

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Darryl1958 said:
That being said, who cares why these leftists are fanning the flames of hatred with their outrageous statements.
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Maybe they were not fanning any flames of hatred but dealing with the history of this country, so their statements were not necessarily outrageous. And maybe they are not even leftists. It has become a conservative ‘truism’ that the two clergymen are racists, and never accurate. I have been to services at the churches of both of the ministers and there was no hating going on.

Plus, both have white folks in their congregations
 
catharina said:
You do acknowledge that history includes “haters on the right?”
George Wallace comes to mind. (Maybe you don’t acknowledge it.)

Oh well, continue your rant. Ta Ta.
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George Wallace is rotting in his grave.
What an inane comment.

You have to resurrect a rotting corpse to make your point?!!!
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
Maybe they were not fanning any flames of hatred but dealing with the history of this country, so their statements were not necessarily outrageous. And maybe they are not even leftists. It has become a conservative ‘truism’ that the two clergymen are racists, and never accurate. I have been to services at the churches of both of the ministers and there was no hating going on.

Plus, both have white folks in their congregations
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That is where we differ Beau. Unlike you and much of the left, I find calling America the greatest sin against God totally outrageous, untrue, and akin to the Islamist who calls America the Great Satan.
The two comments come from the same mindset and are cut from the same cloth of half-truths and half-baked socialist propaganda.

You do not see it as an outrageous comment because you believe it to be true. Unlike you and those who would Pflegerize the Church like they would society, I see the comment as keeping the flames of hatred alive.

Sadly, the ones who are closest to Pfleger will be the ones who will be burned the most by the filth that comes out of his mouth.
 
You know, at Good Friday services I heard a Franciscan say in his homily: “How dare they refer to it as a Christian militia? How dare they!”

When you think about it, his outrage and his statement really are just like the statements of Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright. Folks are free to disagree with him, too.

I await conservative outrage.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
You know, at Good Friday services I heard a Franciscan say in his homily: “How dare they refer to it as a Christian militia? How dare they!”

When you think about it, his outrage and his statement really are just like the statements of Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright. Folks are free to disagree with him, too.

I await conservative outrage.
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By now, thanks to a few posters, I think it’s probable that conservative outrage
expressed on CA will be put forth by posters who idealize the likes of Glenn Beck
and Michelle Malkin. IOW, don’t hold your breath!

In any event, Blessed be God, as always!

PS - Good morning to you, Beau!
 
catharina said:
By now, thanks to a few posters, I think it’s probable that conservative outrage
expressed on CA will be put forth by posters who idealize the likes of Glenn Beck
and Michelle Malkin. IOW, don’t hold your breath!

In any event, Blessed be God, as always!

PS - Good morning to you, Beau!
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You forgot Rush Limbaugh and you might as well mention Sarah Palin as well. Pfleger is a disgrace to the Priesthood.
 
There is a portion of the Catholic society that believes that America is the greatest evil in human history. Pfleger is one of those, and posters like Catherina and Beau feel it is Michell Malkin who is the radical and divisive for disagreeing.

John Kennedy assured Americans that the Catholic Church was not a subversive force in America. Certainly the Catholic church that Michelle Malkin grew up in wasn’t.

But the Pfleger-ization of the Catholic Church in America certainly will is a subversive force, with ‘America as the greatest sin against God’ being taught from its pulpits.

I don’t think that it is necessary to be a George Wallace supporter or a member of a Christian militia to find the values that Pfleger stands for to be beneath contempt.

His rhetoric against America surpasses even that or Iran and the Islamists.

But, we must recognize that more than just a few Catholics are on board with this Pflegarization of the church, including the bishop of his diocese.

It should comes as no surprise that those who support the Party of Death are just okay with the anti-American rhetoric of a Pfleger. The party of the left is no longer the party of Jack Kennedy at any rate.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
You don’t know that. There could be a lot of private admonition. Give the cardinal some credit.
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Against Pfffffffffffleger? Citation please. Oh wait, I know where it is going, you’ll just claim it is private to dodge answering the question, and then I’ll say “Nice Dodge, does it get good gas mileage?” 🙂
Plus, you are leaping to the conclusion that Father Pfleger merited some discipline. That is an opinion.
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You’re right, anti-white bigotry is a GOOD THING™ for a priest to do. I wonder if they’ll let him join the Black Panthers? 🙂
 
Darryl1958 said:
There is a portion of the Catholic society that believes that America is the greatest evil in human history. Pfleger is one of those, and posters like Catherina and Beau feel it is Michell Malkin who is the radical and divisive for disagreeing.

But, we must recognize that more than just a few Catholics are on board with this Pflegarization of the church, including the bishop of his diocese.

**You believe that you can decide what another poster FEELS?
If so, you are clearly delusional.
As for what his bishop “feels/thinks” despite Malkin’s and your disapproval,
his bishop, Cardinal George, has honored him for the good he has done.
He has not honored him for any discord he MIGHT have created.

My suggestion to you and Malkin: get a grip.
Do get back to all when you’ve become a bishop.**
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PacoG said:
The American right’s attack on the Church has been gathering for some time now.
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[T]he proximate cause of the Right’s attack is the Church’s refusal to buy into lazziez faire economics and unbridled capitalism. The Church doesn’t have and has never had friends at either end of the political spectrum. The Left seeks to destroy her. The right seeks to subdue her.
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The point is that the Church has no friends in the powers of this world. Neither Glenn Beck/Michelle Malkin on the Right nor Christopher Hitchens on the Left will be loyal allies. Both are sides are agents of the Enemy. And the Enemy sees the Church as weak today so he is going to press from all sides and activate his agents on all sides.
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Yeah, what this guy said. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
 
catharina said:
You believe that you can decide what another poster FEELS?
If so, you are clearly delusional.
As for what his bishop “feels/thinks” despite Malkin’s and your disapproval,
his bishop, Cardinal George, has honored him for the good he has done.
He has not honored him for any discord he MIGHT have created.

My suggestion to you and Malkin: get a grip.
Do get back to all when you’ve become a bishop.
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Your own words demonstrate that you are okay with Pfleger and not okay with Malkin.
I am not okay with a bishop honoring a man like Pfleger, and with a church that preaches that America is the greatest sin against God.

The complete lack of characcter of that crowd becomes demonstrated by your associating me with George Wallace, as if anyone who is repulsed with America not being seen as the greatest sin against God is therefore a racist.
It is contemptible what you are doing, totally repulsive.

Liberation theology types are not what the pope is all about either, despite what this or that Chicago bishop might proclaim.
You may be alright with a subversive church, but many Catholics are still repulsed by the Pflegerization of the Church.

And it is inane to the point of complete senility to think that that somehow puts us in the same league as a George Wallace or some other racist also-rans.

Get a grip yourself.
 
excuse me, for i haven’t read every post from the beginning, so i don’t know if someone already asked this question…

is phleger even pro life?
 
Onyx88 said:
excuse me, for i haven’t read every post from the beginning, so i don’t know if someone already asked this question…

is phleger even pro life?
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OP:
Mimicking Planned Parenthood and the death lobby, the Chicago archdiocese defended late-term-abortion supporter Obama as “pro-choice” rather than “pro-abortion” this week – and did nothing in 2003 when Pfleger put radical-leftist actor Harry Belafonte on the St. Sabina pulpit to rail against former President George W. Bush’s pro-life policies.
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Pfleger is pro-Obama.
Ergo, his priority is not the life of the unborn.
Not an untypical Catholic in that respect.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Your own words demonstrate that you are okay with Pfleger and not okay with Malkin. I am not okay with a bishop honoring a man like Pfleger, and with a church that preaches that America is the greatest sin against God.

The complete lack of characcter of that crowd becomes demonstrated by your associating me with George Wallace, as if anyone who is repulsed with America not being seen as the greatest sin against God is therefore a racist.
It is contemptible what you are doing, totally repulsive.

Liberation theology types are not what the pope is all about either, despite what this or that Chicago bishop might proclaim. You may be alright with a subversive church, but many Catholics are still repulsed by the Pflegerization of the Church.

And it is inane to the point of complete senility to think that that somehow puts us in the same league as a George Wallace or some other racist also-rans.

Get a grip yourself.
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You missed my point amidst your vitriolic explosions.

I will never and have never looked outside the Church to a Malkin or a Glenn Beck to “teach” me about the Church. Why would I? Why would anyone? To cling to those who are paid for their Op-Ed junk and at the same time repudiate a Catholic Bishop. That’s inane to the point of complete senility or profound immaturity.

Now, again, my previous post (not a word of which you answered:
You believe that you can decide what another poster FEELS?
If so, you are clearly delusional.
As for what his bishop “feels/thinks” despite Malkin’s and your disapproval,
his bishop, Cardinal George, has honored him for the good he has done.
He has not honored him for any discord he MIGHT have created.

My suggestion to you and Malkin: get a grip.
Do get back to all when you’ve become a bishop.*

Can you stay on point???

You recall your earlier attempt to define/declare what I FEEL?
What a poster named Beau FEELS?

How about you respond rather than attack? Can you?
Save your diversions for elsewhere.
 
jenkiedad said:
Today’s column by Michelle Malkin: The Pfleger-ization of the Catholic Church

townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/04/09/the_pfleger-ization_of_the_catholic_church?page=1

"So much that you need to know about the Catholic Church’s social policy problems can be summed up in one word: Chicago. On race, abortion, guns, immigration and “community organizing,” Catholic Church officials in the Windy City have forged unholy alliances with radical left-wingers and enablers who undermine the faith – and the faithful. "
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I’ve been reading on Father Phleger, and I just watched a video of Father Phleger at Trinity United. If Father Phleger is the future of Catholicism, then I see a mass exodus to the Orthodox Faith in the future. As the child of a Civil Rights & Pro-Life Marcher, and a Catholic I can honestly say that if Father Phleger was the pastor of our Church, I would quit and go to another Catholic Church.
 
humblelurker said:
I’ve been reading on Father Phleger, and I just watched a video of Father Phleger at Trinity United. If Father Phleger is the future of Catholicism, then I see a mass exodus to the Orthodox Faith in the future. As the child of a Civil Rights & Pro-Life Marcher, and a Catholic I can honestly say that if Father Phleger was the pastor of our Church, I would quit and go to another Catholic Church.
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In no way is Father Phleger the future of the Catholic Church!
That thinking is promoted by Op-Ed folks and some posters on this thread.
The Cardinal is honoring Father P. for good work he has actually done as a priest.
If Father was your pastor and you disliked his ways,
you could and should go to another parish.
That’s your right and duty.

The idea that it’s fine to insult any priest who has the approval of his Bishop is horrible.
I truly appreciate the fact that you have not joined those who throw stones.
You stated your OWN opinion based on your OWN research. You did so with charity.

God bless you for your words of wisdom and kindness and welcome to this thread.
 
catharina said:
In no way is Father Phleger the future of the Catholic Church!
That thinking is promoted by Op-Ed folks and some posters on this thread.
The Cardinal is honoring Father P. for good work he has actually done as a priest.
If Father was your pastor and you disliked his ways,
you could and should go to another parish.
That’s your right and duty.

The idea that it’s fine to insult any priest who has the approval of his Bishop is horrible.
I truly appreciate the fact that you have not joined those who throw stones.
You stated your OWN opinion based on your OWN research. You did so with charity.

God bless you for your words of wisdom and kindness and welcome to this thread.
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Thank you. No, I don’t believe Father Pfleger is the future of the Catholic Faith. Many on CAF could propose evangelization towards him (witnessing to him if you will) on specific issues that they disagree on. However, that for me would be a one way ticket to the boneyard, for the stress would kill me dealing with him. So I would rather pray for him at another Catholic Church, and let his superiors deal with him.

That currently is the case since I live in a different state than he resides. God is so wise. 😃
 
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