The Right to Arm Bears

[shipwrkd]

Wouldn’t it be sinful for the bear to use the weapons? I’d imagine the USCCB will come out with a statement on this difficult social issue.

I dunno, I would think being shot by the bear would be a venial sin. Being eaten, on the other hand, would be intrinsically evil and therefore Mortal.

I just had to use the word “ontologically” once before I die.

Bet you could bearly wait to use the word

The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear’s sensitive nose and it will run away.
It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

 

[wynnejj]

The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear’s sensitive nose and it will run away.
It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

“A fed bear is a dead bear” reads the signs at Glacier National Park. At a park presentation one evening, we were regaled with stories about a rogue grizzly. The first encounter, a group of hikers were surprised by the bear and ran, dropping their packs containing food. The second encounter, two visitors were fishing when the bear surprised them. One ran & got away, but the other ran into the water screaming, and that was that. (The presenter didn’t elaborate what “that was that” meant.) The third encounter, a woman was backpacking, came up to a park station & asked to set camp near the station. Food was raised up high on a line between two trees. The bear surprised the girl in her tent, and “that was that”. Meanwhile, as my brother-in-law is hearing these stories, he starts wondering if there is any food lying around the campsite. He heads back to find gear stolen. He goes to the camp office to learn that dish water with food smells was left out, and therefore all loose gear was confiscated to be redeemed after receiving the “fed bear is a dead bear” park lecture. Seems to me, the only ones who need arms are campers, not bears. Of course, you have be quick on the draw before they dis-arm / dis-member you. Of course, the ones who really need to be armed are the Columbian ground skwerls, because when they first go underground to hibernate for the winter, the grizzlies dig them out and pop them down the old hatch, gorging on ground skwerl like bears gorging on salmon. Columbian Ground Squirrel Song

 

[Sarcelle]

Either it was an extremely small bear or you are pulling our legs.

Why would I pull your leg?

Bears have been known to use hot tubs.

youtube.com/watch?v=-UoUgZMlS58

By the way my brother’s hot tub is actually part of a larger heated swimming pool? So yes even large bears can go in.

 

[dshix]

Why would I pull your leg?

Bears have been known to use hot tubs.

youtube.com/watch?v=-UoUgZMlS58

By the way my brother’s hot tub is actually part of a larger heated swimming pool? So yes even large bears can go in.

Haha, that’s funny.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I am not sure bears need guns. In that regard, I am reminded of the following:

Supposedly in some park in Canada there is a big sign that reads more or less as follows:

Black bears and Grizzly bears are different.
Black bears are usually timid and flee at the approach of man.
Grizzly bears will often move away if you know they are there, but can be aggressive.
In order to let bears know you are there, wear little bells on your clothing. Be sure to carry a can of pepper spray.

Bears can often be distinguished by their droppings.
Black bear droppings reflect their diets, and contain vegetative material and the fur and bones of small animals.
Grizzly bear droppings also reflect their diets, and smell of pepper and contain little bells.

 

[Sarcelle]

I am not sure bears need guns. In that regard, I am reminded of the following:

Supposedly in some park in Canada there is a big sign that reads more or less as follows:

Black bears and Grizzly bears are different.
Black bears are usually timid and flee at the approach of man.
Grizzly bears will often move away if you know they are there, but can be aggressive.
In order to let bears know you are there, wear little bells on your clothing. Be sure to carry a can of pepper spray.

Bears can often be distinguished by their droppings.
Black bear droppings reflect their diets, and contain vegetative material and the fur and bones of small animals.
Grizzly bear droppings also reflect their diets, and smell of pepper and contain little bells.

Another distinction between black bears and Grizzly bears.

If you encounter a bear but are too frightened to see if it’s a black bear or a grizzly bear, climb a tree.

If the bear follows you up a tree, than it’s a black bear.

If the bear shakes the tree until you fall down, then you have yourself a Grizzly.

Simple, eh?

 

[edwest2]

Ummm… I dunno, the Catechism doesn’t address this.

Wouldn’t it be sinful for the bear to use the weapons?
The issue would be…does the bear, existing ontologically as an animal with limited intelligence, have full knowlege and consent?
And if it is sinful, who would hear the confession? We need a new religious order dedicated to serving the angriest of the angry bears.

I’d imagine the USCCB will come out with a statement on this difficult social issue.

I just had to use the word “ontologically” once before I die.

You can’t haul a bear into court because he mauled you while you were hiking through the woods. Sheeesh.

And the same thing if he shoots you with an assault rifle. Logic folks, logic.

Ed

 

[Truthstalker]

You can’t haul a bear…

Personally I am not about to try. First I would have to consider 1) the moral implications, 2) my health insurance and 3) whether the bear was armed.

Anyone with experience hauling bears around is welcome to post on this thread. I won’t stop them. That assumes they somehow survived and are able to expound on the moral implications of bear-hauling…I would be concerned that you might be interfering with its free will, for example.

 

[Zooey]

Another distinction between black bears and Grizzly bears.

If you encounter a bear but are too frightened to see if it’s a black bear or a grizzly bear, climb a tree.

If the bear follows you up a tree, than it’s a black bear.

If the bear shakes the tree until you fall down, then you have yourself a Grizzly.

Simple, eh?

This an important piece of information. It should be posted in any location where bears may be encountered.
Because humans have an innate need to know what kind of large mammal is eating them.

 

[wynnejj]

Because humans have an innate need to know what kind of large mammal is eating them.

Which brings up another good point. Shouldn’t we honor the right to arm bears because it is better to shoot & kill man before eating, rather than eating alive. It’s the “humane” thing to do, says the Grizzly Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Humans.

 

[wynnejj]

Personally I am not about to try. First I would have to consider 1) the moral implications, 2) my health insurance and 3) whether the bear was armed.

Anyone with experience hauling bears around is welcome to post on this thread. I won’t stop them. That assumes they somehow survived and are able to expound on the moral implications of bear-hauling…I would be concerned that you might be interfering with its free will, for example.

Nuisance bears, especially grizzlies, are often hauled to remote locations before they become a rogue bear. These are the lucky ones that manage to be hauled before they maul, but the fed bear is often a dead bear because they maul before they can be hauled.

 

[WhatMeWorry]

Excuse me while I put on the hip waders…it’s getting deep in here.

 

[shipwrkd]

Which brings up another good point. Shouldn’t we honor the right to arm bears because it is better to shoot & kill man before eating, rather than eating alive. It’s the “humane” thing to do, says the Grizzly Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Humans.

I’ve researched the GSPCH bylaws and shooting before eating is more of a guideline than it is a rule.

Nuisance bears, especially grizzlies, are often hauled to remote locations before they become a rogue bear. These are the lucky ones that manage to be hauled before they maul, but the fed bear is often a dead bear because they maul before they can be hauled.

The fact that they can be hauled at all…

You can’t haul a bear into court because he mauled you while you were hiking through the woods. Sheeesh.
And the same thing if he shoots you with an assault rifle. Logic folks, logic

c.
Makes this quite logical and Truthstalker seems to have had experience in the “hauling” department.

Excuse me while I put on the hip waders…it’s getting deep in here.

And I’m gonna go out on a limb and say it’s gonna get even deeper

This an important piece of information. It should be posted in any location where bears may be encountered.
Because humans have an innate need to know what kind of large mammal is eating them

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[wynnejj]

I’ve researched the GSPCH bylaws and shooting before eating is more of a guideline than it is a rule.

That’s so true. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. You get a bear on a full stomach and, they generally agree that is morally wrong to kill a human being. However, no bear would go to the extent of convicting another bear for eating a human alive. It is just wrong to condemn a fellow bear for what just comes natural. They think of it more as a sin rather than a crime. You just have to change their hearts & minds of your fellow bears with guidelines. After all, you can convert more bears with a little honey rather than hauling them off to some remote location for a human rights violation. Most of them don’t think humans have rights anyway. It’s a subject that is just totally up in the air. It is interesting to note that it is the black bears who seem to support a human life amendment, as they seem content to work the rotted logs for their grubs. All bears agree, though, that they will be answerable to the great Gitche Manitou in the sky. ( OK, I’m wading a little deep here ! )

 

[shipwrkd]

Some bears are smarter than the average human.

How about a religious order serving the hungriest of hungry bears?

My brother once rented a cabin up in the woods for vacation in the Colorado forests. This cabin came with a hot tub and he got the shock of his life when he saw a bear soaking in that tub. The bear seemed to be enjoying it. He wisely decided not to mess with it as he could see that it was a grizzly.

That must have been “Stew”.

 

[shipwrkd]

Another distinction between black bears and Grizzly bears.

If you encounter a bear but are too frightened to see if it’s a black bear or a grizzly bear, climb a tree.

If the bear follows you up a tree, than it’s a black bear.

If the bear shakes the tree until you fall down, then you have yourself a Grizzly.

Simple, eh?

My uncle once got in an altercation with a bear, we now call him “Claud”.

 

[Truthstalker]

I Truthstalker seems to have had experience in the “hauling” department.

Not quite sure what that is supposed to mean. Here we are having a serious discussion and all haul breaks loose.

 

[maltmom]

Not quite sure what that is supposed to mean. Here we are having a serious discussion and all haul breaks loose.

If it doesn’t stop I’m going to separate everyone send them back to their caves. They will be grounded all winter.

 

[Sarcelle]

That’s so true. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. You get a bear on a full stomach and, they generally agree that is morally wrong to kill a human being. However, no bear would go to the extent of convicting another bear for eating a human alive. It is just wrong to condemn a fellow bear for what just comes natural. They think of it more as a sin rather than a crime. You just have to change their hearts & minds of your fellow bears with guidelines. After all, you can convert more bears with a little honey rather than hauling them off to some remote location for a human rights violation. Most of them don’t think humans have rights anyway. It’s a subject that is just totally up in the air. It is interesting to note that it is the black bears who seem to support a human life amendment, as they seem content to work the rotted logs for their grubs. All bears agree, though, that they will be answerable to the great Gitche Manitou in the sky. ( OK, I’m wading a little deep here ! )

You will also have to convince the polar bears about human rights.

Panda bears already depend on humans so they are all for human rights giving them views counter to that of the Chinese government.

 

[edwest2]

You’re looking at the wrong reference, folks. According to TM-511 of the National Parks and Wildlife Service, Section 5, subsection B. “Bear hauling. In some cases, the hauling of bears is permitted when they pose a threat to campers, hikers and others who may utilize public woodlands. Only trained, authorized personnel (as defined in subsection D) may haul bears in cages to other locations within the area in question or to another area if it is determined that the existing acreage and possible bear-human contact ratio exceeds 9 on the Schumann-Perkins scale (see Draft of Human-Bear Interactions and Safety by Phillips, revised, 2009).”

In the same manual, in Section 8, subsection G. “Bears with assault rifles. On occasion, criminals, gun enthusiasts, and others, lose or discard their assault rifles to avoid possible prosecution. This is especially true with the growers of marijuana in remote locations who are discovered by the DEA or other authorities. In over 30% of the cases, the safety on the weapon is set to the firing position. It is possible for any type of bear to discharge the weapon at least once, or multiple times to only a slightly lesser degree. In such cases, the locally assigned Bear Extraction And Removal team must be called in to deal with the threat.”

Ed