The role of women

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I’m a guy. But I have a mother, 3 sisters, 5 nieces, a girlfriend, scores of aunts and cousins, women co-workers, and a good heaping handful of women whom I consider close friends.

Why would I try to shape/direct their lives merely because of their plumbing?

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Steve Andersen:
I’m a guy. But I have a mother, 3 sisters, 5 nieces, a girlfriend, scores of aunts and cousins, women co-workers, and a good heaping handful of women whom I consider close friends.

Why would I try to shape/direct their lives merely because of their plumbing?

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silliness
this isn’t the “Mecca” forum you know…
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You aren’t shaping there lives bases on their plumbing. Thanks be to God, it’s our decision whether we work or not. But many women feel it is their duty and their calling from God to be home with their kids. I myself have this calling, and I will be a stay-at-mom/housewife just as soon as we find my husband a better paying job. I want to be the one raising my kids, not the day care down the road.
 
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mlchance:
Choice 1 - Women should be mothers and wives. It’s best if they don’t work.

Choice 2 - Women should be mothers and wives, but they should also use their talents to contribute to society.

Hmm?

So, then, mothers and wives who don’t work don’t contribute to society?

And what about women called to a life of celibacy? They’re neither wives nor mothers.

– Mark L. Chance.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
you only gave me two options as a woman, and I had to choose the better of the two: that I should be a wife and mother, but contribute to society on the side. I’m sorry, but I prefer to contribute to society first, to have a job and a life, and have family if it fits on the side, if it comes along. Honestly, have a poll that represents all sides of the issue, not just the ones you THINK are woman’s (or man’s) role. There should always be that option of “I’m not too concerned with family issues and what others think I ought to do, because I am happy the way I am currently living my life: the way I want to”:tsktsk:
 
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Kate_H:
you only gave me two options as a woman, and I had to choose the better of the two: that I should be a wife and mother, but contribute to society on the side. I’m sorry, but I prefer to contribute to society first, to have a job and a life, and have family if it fits on the side, if it comes along. Honestly, have a poll that represents all sides of the issue, not just the ones you THINK are woman’s (or man’s) role. There should always be that option of “I’m not too concerned with family issues and what others think I ought to do, because I am happy the way I am currently living my life: the way I want to”:tsktsk:
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Well, no reason to get angry at the topic creator. Maybe he/she just didn’t think of all the possible answers? I think that would be near impossible to satisfy everyone with an answer of their own for the poll.

If you want to work and not have a family that’s fine. However saying you will throw in a family “on the side” is a dangerous thing to do. A family is a FULL TIME responsibility. It is not something you idly focus on when you feel it is in your leisure.

If you feel God calling you to live a celibate life, then do so. If you feel you should live your life as a mother, then by all means. No one is telling you what you have to do. This is simply a thread that simply contain peoples opinions. The important part is not living the life the way WE want to, but living the way GOD wants us to. What we want, is as fickle as the wind, what God wants, is set in strone.
 
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Kate_H:
you only gave me two options as a woman, and I had to choose the better of the two: that I should be a wife and mother, but contribute to society on the side. I’m sorry, but I prefer to contribute to society first, to have a job and a life, and have family if it fits on the side, if it comes along. Honestly, have a poll that represents all sides of the issue, not just the ones you THINK are woman’s (or man’s) role. There should always be that option of “I’m not too concerned with family issues and what others think I ought to do, because I am happy the way I am currently living my life: the way I want to”:tsktsk:
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Forgive me if I make light of your post. I don’t think you really meant to, but the whole “on the side” comment puts children and family as thought it was not much more than A1 sauce to compliment the steak (ie “having a life”). Yikes!!

As if we parents don’t have a life?? As if children are just “part of the resume” of the accomplished liberal?? “Oh, yeah…and I’m a mother/father too. Says right there…down below…under *hobbies/interests”. *

Ah, the Culture of Death.
 
I raised two wonderful children already, keep a fairly orderly home and I am still caring for my severly handicapp teenage son (16) everyday. To insult me that I am only a “wife and mother” is a slap in the face. I was in Nursing before he was born and am using my skills for something more then any “paycheck” can give me. I’m sorry for getting angry, but nearly everyday I have to defend why, myself, a women with two adult children and teenager doesn’t work.
 
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kaymart:
I raised two wonderful children already, keep a fairly orderly home and I am still caring for my severly handicapp teenage son (16) everyday. To insult me that I am only a “wife and mother” is a slap in the face. I was in Nursing before he was born and am using my skills for something more then any “paycheck” can give me. I’m sorry for getting angry, but nearly everyday I have to defend why, myself, a women with two adult children and teenager doesn’t work.
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No need to apologize.

I encounter the same sentiments daily - except I’m insulted when someone tells me I don’t contribute because I don’t have children and I’m no one’s wife. I hear this daily and it is very much like a slap in the face.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Hermione, how it should be is up to the individual woman. Some woman can handle the juggling act, young children, full time, or part time job. If they can, good!
If a woman chooses NOT to, good!
When my children were little ones, it probably would have benefited me to have a part timer outside the home. Now that they are in elementary school, I am back in school and searching for employment.
However, what makes me sad is babies being put in daycare at 6 weeks. 😦 Yes, there are some people such as single moms where this is a needed action, OR a family would be without medical insurance if mom didn’t work.
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The problem is that if there is evan one ounce of day care involved, the juggling act is not good at all. IF you want to be a CEO, then be one, if you want to be a mom, then be one, dont be both. You cannot serve two masters. one of them will get your loyalty first and all to often it is the “job”…[this scenaria pertains to married folk…single mom’s, get out and find you a good man! ;)]
 
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LabChick:
No need to apologize.

I encounter the same sentiments daily - except I’m insulted when someone tells me I don’t contribute because I don’t have children and I’m no one’s wife. I hear this daily and it is very much like a slap in the face.
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hey labchick,
if your not a mom or a wife, then go for it, fufill your career goals!!! let nothing stop you!!!
One day if you choose to have a family, then your prioties must change, and your life will be consumed by them instead of a “job”.
God bless you either way and may you always have succes in your efforts.
Peace of the lord be with you.
 
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Kate_H:
you only gave me two options as a woman, and I had to choose the better of the two: that I should be a wife and mother, but contribute to society on the side. I’m sorry, but I prefer to contribute to society first, to have a job and a life, and have family if it fits on the side, if it comes along. Honestly, have a poll that represents all sides of the issue, not just the ones you THINK are woman’s (or man’s) role. There should always be that option of “I’m not too concerned with family issues and what others think I ought to do, because I am happy the way I am currently living my life: the way I want to”:tsktsk:
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You sound like a “tough girl” so here is a little truth…

Thats because there are only two options, unless you want to be divorced have children that resent you.Oh, and by the way, our roles are defined, by God himself.
 
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You sound like a “tough girl” so here is a little truth…

Thats because there are only two options, unless you want to be divorced have children that resent you.Oh, and by the way, our roles are defined, by God himself.​

HHHHHMMMM,

While I think stay at home Moms work VERY hard and are to be commended, if they are lucky enough to be able to BE home, I don’t think it is as clear cut as you seem to think.

Ever hear of a Proverbs 31 woman??

[10] A good wife who can find?
She is far more precious than jewels.
[11] The heart of her husband trusts in her,
and he will have no lack of gain.
[12] She does him good, and not harm,
all the days of her life.
[13] She seeks wool and flax,
and works with willing hands.
[14] She is like the ships of the merchant,
she brings her food from afar.
[15] She rises while it is yet night
and provides food for her household
and tasks for her maidens.
[16] She considers a field and buys it;
with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.
[17] She girds her loins with strength and makes her arms strong.
[18] She perceives that her merchandise is profitable.
Her lamp does not go out at night.
[19] She puts her hands to the distaff,
and her hands hold the spindle.
[20] She opens her hand to the poor,
and reaches out her hands to the needy.
[21] She is not afraid of snow for her household,
for all her household are clothed in scarlet.
[22] She makes herself coverings;
her clothing is fine linen and purple.
[23] Her husband is known in the gates,
when he sits among the elders of the land.
[24] She makes linen garments and sells them;
she delivers girdles to the merchant.
[25] Strength and dignity are her clothing,
and she laughs at the time to come.
[26] She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
[27] She looks well to the ways of her household,
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
[28] Her children rise up and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
[29] “Many women have done excellently,
but you surpass them all.”
 
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TheGarg:
The problem is that if there is evan one ounce of day care involved, the juggling act is not good at all. IF you want to be a CEO, then be one, if you want to be a mom, then be one, dont be both. You cannot serve two masters. one of them will get your loyalty first and all to often it is the “job”…[this scenaria pertains to married folk…single mom’s, get out and find you a good man! ;)]
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:banghead: Depends on what is the definition of ‘single’ women. Those of us who were unilaterally forced into no fault divorce, who know the Church’s teachings on the permanency and indissolubility of marriage til death do us part, who also cannot sign under oath that our marriages were null from the beginning (and ALL marriages are to be presumed valid til proven not to be) and who do not trust/believe the US Tribunal decisions because so many are overturned by the Rota when appeals go there… by society are OFTEN called ‘single’. It is not a correct term, as once married, one can never be single again, however, it IS used.

To go out and do as you say would put us into adultery. :bigyikes:

I therefore chose to do it His way, to believe Jesus’ words in four places in the NT, and worked full time, returned to school when my kids were old enough while working what was considered full time hours, made it to nearly all school functions, and have three good adults who accept responsibility for their actions and choices. There are MANY of us who cannot follow your very
short-sited advice… :tsktsk:
 
Well, both my parents work. When I was younger, I went to daycare after school sometimes. To minimize this, my mom managed to split her day off into three afternoons off, so she could spend more time at my with my sister and me. When I got a bit older, I just went home. I have house key. I have been staying at home alone since 7th grade. And, now that we are both older, she works more often so she can help put me through college and med school and pay for my high school (along with the multitude of other costs that living 20 miles from school incurs). I think it is rediculous to say that mothers MUST BE AT HOME WITH THEIR CHILDREN AT ALL TIMES!!! I have always felt that my mother has shown her love for my sister and me by working. Somehow, every time I screw up, I feel like I am really letting her down because she pulls more than her weight. But hey, I’ve never been arrested, I don’t do drugs, and I have over a 4.0 GPA. All my teachers like me, and I get along with others well. I can think of a million more things that my mom helped me do without being here 24 hours a day. She has managed her career and raised us fine.

For all the times she has been on call and couldn’t see to my every whim, I appreciate the time I have with her and everything she does that much more.

Eamon
 
I am torn. Women should be mothers and wives, and that first. If they can manage another career on the side, great. But, it is first and formost to their family. Growing up with a mother at home is a great thing! I am so blessed.

God Bless–JMJ
Laura 🙂
 
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Hermione:
If everyone was just a parent, there would be no life saving medicine, no homes that protect us from the elements, no transportation, no literature, no schools, no government…

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And maybe if more mothers stayed home with their children being “just a parent”, we wouldn’t have kids killing kids in school, rampent disrespect for life, wide spread drug use, teen suicide, and so on and so on. Gee, I wonder if our Blessed Mother worked outside the home becuase she and Joseph couldn’t afford for her not to? I believe Joseph supported his family (as God intended him to) allowing Mary to care for Jesus. I think it’s safe to say Mary homeschooled and while the Holy family may not have had two cars…they sure had a lot of love. I will follow Mary’s example.
 
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:banghead: Depends on what is the definition of ‘single’ women. Those of us who were unilaterally forced into no fault divorce, who know the Church’s teachings on the permanency and indissolubility of marriage til death do us part, who also cannot sign under oath that our marriages were null from the beginning (and ALL marriages are to be presumed valid til proven not to be) and who do not trust/believe the US Tribunal decisions because so many are overturned by the Rota when appeals go there… by society are OFTEN called ‘single’. It is not a correct term, as once married, one can never be single again, however, it IS used.

To go out and do as you say would put us into adultery. :bigyikes:

I therefore chose to do it His way, to believe Jesus’ words in four places in the NT, and worked full time, returned to school when my kids were old enough while working what was considered full time hours, made it to nearly all school functions, and have three good adults who accept responsibility for their actions and choices. There are MANY of us who cannot follow your very
short-sited advice… :tsktsk:
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nice try, though there may be “many” of you you are still the vast “minority”. I realize there are special situtions, and i am in the process of anulment now. I couse I am talking ot single moms who can get married in the church…but if you need rant, ill listen…[listens intenly]

ps…christ’s love to you!
 
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TheGarg:
nice try, though there may be “many” of you you are still the vast “minority”. I realize there are special situtions, and i am in the process of anulment now. I couse I am talking ot single moms who can get married in the church…but if you need rant, ill listen…[listens intenly]
ps…christ’s love to you!
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Actually, you are the one who sounds on a rant…

As to the Nullity process, I would trust no decision from most US Tribunals until the Rota had reviewed it as the Court of Second Instance… especially after all that the Holy Father has said about the subject over the years.

God bless.
 
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Hermione:
I did not imply that mothers are not contributing to society by being mothers. They are, just as fathers contribute to society by being fathers. However, why should a person’s contribution end with parenthood? If everyone was just a parent, there would be no life saving medicine, no homes that protect us from the elements, no transportation, no literature, no schools, no government…
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And if everyone were just a doctor or scientist or author or teacher and not also a parent, then we wouldn’t have those things either since without any parents we would quickly run out of doctors and scientists, etc.

Being a parent is not less important than being those things. It’s more important.
 
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