The Sabbath took precedence over burying JESUS

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The 3rd Commandment - to keep the Sabbath by NOT working was honored and respected by The Virgin Mary by not completing the Jewish burial ritual with JESUS body and instead doing a partial preparation of HIS body with the goal of returning after the Sabbath to complete the full preparation for JESUS body.

If the burial of JESUS, SON of GOD, 2nd PERSON of the TRINITY would not be relaxed or forgiven because it fell on the Sabbath, how then can we explain our behavior in so casually accepting the Sabbath as “another day” of work? What can’t you buy on the Sabbath? And if it is not “open” is it still on-line for your convenience to purchase or place the order on the Sabbath?

If we have lost touch with and fail to understand the significance of GOD’s simple commandment, i.e. “do not work on the Sabbath”, how will we ever recover from “do not murder”, e.g. abortion?
 
The 3rd Commandment - to keep the Sabbath by NOT working was honored and respected by The Virgin Mary by not completing the Jewish burial ritual with JESUS body and instead doing a partial preparation of HIS body with the goal of returning after the Sabbath to complete the full preparation for JESUS body.

If the burial of JESUS, SON of GOD, 2nd PERSON of the TRINITY would not be relaxed or forgiven because it fell on the Sabbath, how then can we explain our behavior in so casually accepting the Sabbath as “another day” of work? What can’t you buy on the Sabbath? And if it is not “open” is it still on-line for your convenience to purchase or place the order on the Sabbath?

If we have lost touch with and fail to understand the significance of GOD’s simple commandment, i.e. “do not work on the Sabbath”, how will we ever recover from “do not murder”, e.g. abortion?
Catholics are not Jewish. Therefore, while we do not celebrate the Sabbath, we still adhere to the 3rd Commandment through our day of rest, the Lord’s Day, Sunday. As with the Sabbath, the Church discourages the faithful from substantial work on this day (with some exceptions).

I don’t see how keeping to the Lord’s Day (or the Sabbath) coincides with the issues of abortion, which is breaking of another commandment.

See the Catechism on this teaching, #2175
. Also, this archived issue of This Rock magazine goes into greater detail of the change. Remember that the Church, founded by Christ, has authority to make this adjustment, which is shown in Scripture as done by the Apostles.
 
The 3rd Commandment - to keep the Sabbath by NOT working was honored and respected by The Virgin Mary by not completing the Jewish burial ritual with JESUS body and instead doing a partial preparation of HIS body with the goal of returning after the Sabbath to complete the full preparation for JESUS body.

If the burial of JESUS, SON of GOD, 2nd PERSON of the TRINITY would not be relaxed or forgiven because it fell on the Sabbath, how then can we explain our behavior in so casually accepting the Sabbath as “another day” of work? What can’t you buy on the Sabbath? And if it is not “open” is it still on-line for your convenience to purchase or place the order on the Sabbath?

If we have lost touch with and fail to understand the significance of GOD’s simple commandment, i.e. “do not work on the Sabbath”, how will we ever recover from “do not murder”, e.g. abortion?
Why is observing the sabbath so important anyway? I mean, I can see the importance of not killing or not stealing or not committing adultery, but how is the universe offended if I light my barbecue grill after sundown on a Friday night?
 
Why is observing the sabbath so important anyway? I mean, I can see the importance of not killing or not stealing or not committing adultery, but how is the universe offended if I light my barbecue grill after sundown on a Friday night?
You may do as you wish as a Christian and, G-d forgive me, I as a Jew break the Sabbath. However, G-d Himself rested on the Sabbath, after the Creation of the Universe. It is meant to be a time of leisure, reflection, and prayer and to be sanctified by its separation from the frenzied work week. One refrains from everyday activities, which include not only strenuous work but routine behaviors. This is how we honor G-d’s own rest and also how we are given the opportunity to renew our spiritual life and connection to G-d with family and friends.
 
In the gospels, Jesus tells his apostles that he would not teach them everything, but that the Holy Spirit would come upon them and teach them all truth. So, there isn’t a moment where it seems that a switch was thrown and that they acted differently – except for Pentecost. The very writing of the letters of the New Testament attest to the way things were begin “worked out” after Jesus’ death.

This may be one issue, and then there’s a more prominent issue that arose, of people expecting Jesus imminent return. Everybody had to work through that issue.

And they had to work through the issue of the Jewish requirement of circumcision.

So, everything was not settled, for sure, by the time of Jesus’ death.

We should not be so cavalier about the psychological trauma of Jesus’ death on Mary and the apostles. His death was not insignificant to them.

Yes, even these mundane details of Jesus burial figured into the accounting of the Resurrection, in the gospels.

while I have a copy of the Ignatius study Bible, I haven’t gotten through it. So, I don’t know if it comments on that point. (A study Bible is not a commentary; so, I wouldn’t try to predict that it would cover all the details of the gospel account.)

Ah, but this is a good observation. with regard to the title question, no, the details of Christian practice had not been worked out at that point. This is the type of question that scholars ask and really dig into.

I wonder too, like even today, funeral arrangements take time. Even that the women went to the tomb on the following second morning was not unusual to them, I guess. So, yes you can blame the Sabbath delay on them, but they may have been prevented from obtaining the burial spices on the Sabbath which was beyond their control.

some other thoughts come to mind, too. At a spiritual level, there’s plenty to chew on here. If ever there was a Sabbath that meant ANYTHING, that was an indication that God rested, THAT Sabbath meant more than any other.

The very fact that the women WENT TO the tomb to put on the burial spices may have indicated that Jesus’ resurrection itself was not so clearly expeced by them. If they had been prepared for that, they wouldn’t have even gone there with the spices in the first place. In the spiritual plane, you might say that the women did not expect how much God was going to accomplish.
 
Even the Jews themselves admit that “goyim” are not expected to keep the Sabbath.
 
Catholics are not Jewish. Therefore, while we do not celebrate the Sabbath, we still adhere to the 3rd Commandment through our day of rest, the Lord’s Day, Sunday. As with the Sabbath, the Church discourages the faithful from substantial work on this day (with some exceptions).

I don’t see how keeping to the Lord’s Day (or the Sabbath) coincides with the issues of abortion, which is breaking of another commandment.

See the Catechism on this teaching, #2175
. Also, this archived issue of This Rock magazine goes into greater detail of the change. Remember that the Church, founded by Christ, has authority to make this adjustment, which is shown in Scripture as done by the Apostles.
When is it ever not right to obey GOD? And my point being, that we have pressed the envelope so far with obeying the 3rd commandment, perhaps the easiest to keep, that how can we ever respect the remaining commandments as being worthy of keeping. Did JESUS teach us that if you break one, you have broken them all?
 
When is it ever not right to obey GOD? And my point being, that we have pressed the envelope so far with obeying the 3rd commandment, perhaps the easiest to keep, that how can we ever respect the remaining commandments as being worthy of keeping. Did JESUS teach us that if you break one, you have broken them all?
You’re merely restating your question without considering the answer, it seems.

According to your description, you are Catholic, not a Jew. As a Catholic, we are obligated to respect the Lord’s Day, not only through our faith as a Catholic, but by attending Mass that day. I’ve already posted sources with Scriptural references that shows that the early Church made this change because of Christ’s Resurrection, the first day.

Therefore, by Church law, Catholics adhere to the 3rd Commandment. Christ gave Peter and the Church authority on this.

Catholics are also not Seventh-Day Adventists, who also distort Christian tradition by incorrectly interpreting that the Sabbath is the Christian day of rest.

Christians are not Jews. The laws of the Old Covenant were superseded–no, fulfilled–with the resurrection of Christ. While Christians respect many of these traditions, we aren’t obligated to hold to the Jewish letter of the law.

That means circumcision is no longer required but baptism is. That foregoing pork is no longer required. A new set of teachings, of Scripture, is now in place.

Don’t you think that, if God were displeased, he would have said or done something to his Church for these changes? Of course He does not, for He made these changes Himself.

If our answers here still trouble you, perhaps a visit to your priest or a spiritual counselor would be helpful for you. Be free of anxiety, for the Lord has risen. This significant act changed everything. Don’t be as those Jews who saw and witnessed all of Christ’s acts and life, yet still held to the Old Covenant ways. God bless.
 
The question of how to obey the Commandments can quickly lead into a legalism that overwhelms the original ideas. The Pharisees had come up with a set of rules to see that the commandments were protected. They referred to them as a hedge around the Torah. If memory serves, there were 608 of them including how far one could walk on the Sabbath. Jesus took the Pharisees to task for burdening the faithful and not helping them. He also promised that His yoke was light.

Let us consider this one aspect for a moment. The local Catholic church has a large parking lot. What if Catholics were told that driving a car on the Sabbath was a sin because it broke the Third Commandment? How many could keep up the requirement of attending Mass? The church is about 25 miles from my house. Would it be all right if I picked up my friend Cornelius and his wife, Nancy, and dropped them off at the Catholic church on my way in? Could they call me up on Sunday morning to say they needed a ride? How could a priest go from one parish to another to celebrate Mass on Sunday? One can see how the Pharisees got so caught up in these sorts of questions that they lost the original point.
 
It can also be helpful to look at how Christians historically viewed the Sabbath. When Jesus was buried, he was buried by Jews, so they followed their inherited Jewish cultural ideas.

After the break with the synagogue, the early Christians do not seem to have put a great deal of stock into observing the Sabbath. Sabbath and Sunday were seen as separate realities. Some interpreted the Sabbath rest as a prefigurement of the great rest at the end of time, which, because it was a figure, no longer needed to be observed (just like other parts of the Law). Many attacked the Sabbath as it was observed by the 1st century Jews as ‘idleness’ (See Justin Martyr). What was important was that every day should be a Sabbath, not in the sense of refraining from work, but in the sense of refraining from evil. Slaves shouldn’t work on Sunday so that they can attend church.

Sunday was not an official day of rest among Christians until Constantine proclaimed it so throughout the Roman Empire in 321. We don’t know whether the Church leaders had anything to do with that.

Even today, the Church requires that people only rest from servile labor, if possible, to make time for God.
 
SPENCERIAN:
I read your links, thank for that. However, I was never questioning the day of the Sabbath as Catholics understand what your links present that the Sabbath changed - not the issue.

I am going for the comparison of “behavior” on the Sabbath, not the day of the Sabbath, and I am comparing the Virgin Mary’s behavior vs how many of us behave on the Sabbath, and I am concluding that “if” She recognized that to Her behavior of burying JESUS would intrude on the Sabbath and therefore She stopped and waited, while many of us just continue in our work. And in asking, “Is it ever right not to obey GOD”, I am making the conclusion that ALL of the commandments are still alive and well - O.T., N.T., 2011 - which ones have been excused? Sometimes rephrasing the question helps with grasping the point.

I am not being legal. I am not listing behaviors, that is up to you. I am asking you to think about it for a moment and realize that to honor GOD in rest, Mary - the Mother of GOD - chose to change Her behavior and stop with bury The SON of GOD.

Our society has achieved a lifestyle that GOD does not have a place of honor on the Sabbath - which is of course Sunday - but instead the Sabbath - Sunday - is just another day in our behavior that increasingly precludes GOD. And this is evident by our “behavior”, not our belief in which day is the Sabbath.
 
The question of how to obey the Commandments can quickly lead into a legalism that overwhelms the original ideas. The Pharisees had come up with a set of rules to see that the commandments were protected. They referred to them as a hedge around the Torah. If memory serves, there were 608 of them including how far one could walk on the Sabbath. Jesus took the Pharisees to task for burdening the faithful and not helping them. He also promised that His yoke was light.

Let us consider this one aspect for a moment. The local Catholic church has a large parking lot. What if Catholics were told that driving a car on the Sabbath was a sin because it broke the Third Commandment? How many could keep up the requirement of attending Mass? The church is about 25 miles from my house. Would it be all right if I picked up my friend Cornelius and his wife, Nancy, and dropped them off at the Catholic church on my way in? Could they call me up on Sunday morning to say they needed a ride? How could a priest go from one parish to another to celebrate Mass on Sunday? One can see how the Pharisees got so caught up in these sorts of questions that they lost the original point.
And so your point is . . . . don’t worry about obeying GOD, because we can always create “what if’s” to excuse ourselves?

HIS yoke is light and HIS burden is easy "if"we chose to follow HIM. If our behavior is contradictory to HIS way, which includes the 10 commandments, then we are not following HIM. Easy is not avoidance.

It was not easy for Mary to see JESUS die. And it was not light for Her to stop in Her efforts to bury the SON of GOD, but in chosing Her behavior to follow GOD, She chose to stop and honor HIS 3rd commandment.

Her behavior should be an example for us in our behavior on the Sabbath.
 
It can also be helpful to look at how Christians historically viewed the Sabbath. When Jesus was buried, he was buried by Jews, so they followed their inherited Jewish cultural ideas.

After the break with the synagogue, the early Christians do not seem to have put a great deal of stock into observing the Sabbath. Sabbath and Sunday were seen as separate realities. Some interpreted the Sabbath rest as a prefigurement of the great rest at the end of time, which, because it was a figure, no longer needed to be observed (just like other parts of the Law). Many attacked the Sabbath as it was observed by the 1st century Jews as ‘idleness’ (See Justin Martyr). What was important was that every day should be a Sabbath, not in the sense of refraining from work, but in the sense of refraining from evil. Slaves shouldn’t work on Sunday so that they can attend church.

Sunday was not an official day of rest among Christians until Constantine proclaimed it so throughout the Roman Empire in 321. We don’t know whether the Church leaders had anything to do with that.

Even today, the Church requires that people only rest from servile labor, if possible, to make time for God.
Actually, I believe that the day of rest was made official by GOD, not by a man - Constantine. And as GOD rested on the 7th day in HIS creation, and as GOD did indeed write with HIS finger the 3rd commandment on stone, and as GOD did deliver those tablets - twice - to the Isrealites through Moses, and as JESUS did bring forth Moses and Elijah while in the company of Peter, James and John putting in one place, the OT fathers with the NT fathers, who are we to say that the 3rd commandment does not apply to us, here in the 21st Century.

And you are correct in your reference to servile labor.
 
The 3rd Commandment - to keep the Sabbath by NOT working was honored and respected by The Virgin Mary by not completing the Jewish burial ritual with JESUS body and instead doing a partial preparation of HIS body with the goal of returning after the Sabbath to complete the full preparation for JESUS body.

If the burial of JESUS, SON of GOD, 2nd PERSON of the TRINITY would not be relaxed or forgiven because it fell on the Sabbath, how then can we explain our behavior in so casually accepting the Sabbath as “another day” of work? What can’t you buy on the Sabbath? And if it is not “open” is it still on-line for your convenience to purchase or place the order on the Sabbath?

If we have lost touch with and fail to understand the significance of GOD’s simple commandment, i.e. “do not work on the Sabbath”, how will we ever recover from “do not murder”, e.g. abortion?
Have we lost the meaning of the day of rest (Sabbath)? Yep! …sadly, for many “Catholics” Sabbath rest means rushing to church on Sunday, chatting with acquaintances and relatives, receiving calls, and rushing out to do the really important things (shopping, sports, games, pigging out, etc.); the intersting thing is that now as well as then the Sabbath rest was meant to give the Believer rest from the toils of life and an opportunity to seek God in a deeper and relaxed manner.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Why is observing the sabbath so important anyway? I mean, I can see the importance of not killing or not stealing or not committing adultery, but how is the universe offended if I light my barbecue grill after sundown on a Friday night?
I do not think that the query meant to ask why we do not observe the Jewish Sabbath… if you are Catholic or any other Christian–escept for the 7th dayers that still hold Saturday as the Sabbath, you can work on Friday and Saturday… Sunday should be a day of rest: a day we commemorate to Yahweh God and rest from our obligations.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
In the gospels, Jesus tells his apostles that he would not teach them everything, but that the Holy Spirit would come upon them and teach them all truth. So, there isn’t a moment where it seems that a switch was thrown and that they acted differently – except for Pentecost. The very writing of the letters of the New Testament attest to the way things were begin “worked out” after Jesus’ death.

This may be one issue, and then there’s a more prominent issue that arose, of people expecting Jesus imminent return. Everybody had to work through that issue.

And they had to work through the issue of the Jewish requirement of circumcision.

So, everything was not settled, for sure, by the time of Jesus’ death.

We should not be so cavalier about the psychological trauma of Jesus’ death on Mary and the apostles. His death was not insignificant to them.

Yes, even these mundane details of Jesus burial figured into the accounting of the Resurrection, in the gospels.

while I have a copy of the Ignatius study Bible, I haven’t gotten through it. So, I don’t know if it comments on that point. (A study Bible is not a commentary; so, I wouldn’t try to predict that it would cover all the details of the gospel account.)

Ah, but this is a good observation. with regard to the title question, no, the details of Christian practice had not been worked out at that point. This is the type of question that scholars ask and really dig into.

I wonder too, like even today, funeral arrangements take time. Even that the women went to the tomb on the following second morning was not unusual to them, I guess. So, yes you can blame the Sabbath delay on them, but they may have been prevented from obtaining the burial spices on the Sabbath which was beyond their control.

some other thoughts come to mind, too. At a spiritual level, there’s plenty to chew on here. If ever there was a Sabbath that meant ANYTHING, that was an indication that God rested, THAT Sabbath meant more than any other.

The very fact that the women WENT TO the tomb to put on the burial spices may have indicated that Jesus’ resurrection itself was not so clearly expeced by them. If they had been prepared for that, they wouldn’t have even gone there with the spices in the first place. In the spiritual plane, you might say that the women did not expect how much God was going to accomplish.
I don’t think that the question meant to dismiss Jesus Death; rather, I think it meant to demonstrate that even this very special circumstance did not take precedence over the Sabbath obligation in the mind of Jesus followers… conversely, Jesus follwers could do nothing more than follow the prescribed conditions of the Mosaic Laws since Jesus had not yet Resurrected, Ascended and sent forth the other Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, Who would bring us the fullness of Truth and all the changes that those of the Way would face as the Inception of the Church would bring about those changes that Jesus spoke about in St. John 4:23-24!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Even the Jews themselves admit that “goyim” are not expected to keep the Sabbath.
…but Sabbath does not mean “Saturday” or “7th day of the week.”

The Catholic Sabbath cease to be alligned with the Jewish Sabbath as we began to celebrate the Day of the Lord (Jesus’ Day of Resurrection).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
The question of how to obey the Commandments can quickly lead into a legalism that overwhelms the original ideas. The Pharisees had come up with a set of rules to see that the commandments were protected. They referred to them as a hedge around the Torah. If memory serves, there were 608 of them including how far one could walk on the Sabbath. Jesus took the Pharisees to task for burdening the faithful and not helping them. He also promised that His yoke was light.

Let us consider this one aspect for a moment. The local Catholic church has a large parking lot. What if Catholics were told that driving a car on the Sabbath was a sin because it broke the Third Commandment? How many could keep up the requirement of attending Mass? The church is about 25 miles from my house. Would it be all right if I picked up my friend Cornelius and his wife, Nancy, and dropped them off at the Catholic church on my way in? Could they call me up on Sunday morning to say they needed a ride? How could a priest go from one parish to another to celebrate Mass on Sunday? One can see how the Pharisees got so caught up in these sorts of questions that they lost the original point.
I don’t think that there’s a problem with keeping the Lord’s Day (Christian Sabbath), but a statement of fact that we are failing in keeping the simplest of Commandments… so if we fail myserably on the small stuff, how can we not fail when faced with the more difficult Commands as “though shall not kill?”

Maran atha!

Angel
 
It can also be helpful to look at how Christians historically viewed the Sabbath. When Jesus was buried, he was buried by Jews, so they followed their inherited Jewish cultural ideas.

After the break with the synagogue, the early Christians do not seem to have put a great deal of stock into observing the Sabbath. Sabbath and Sunday were seen as separate realities. Some interpreted the Sabbath rest as a prefigurement of the great rest at the end of time, which, because it was a figure, no longer needed to be observed (just like other parts of the Law). Many attacked the Sabbath as it was observed by the 1st century Jews as ‘idleness’ (See Justin Martyr). What was important was that every day should be a Sabbath, not in the sense of refraining from work, but in the sense of refraining from evil. Slaves shouldn’t work on Sunday so that they can attend church.

Sunday was not an official day of rest among Christians until Constantine proclaimed it so throughout the Roman Empire in 321. We don’t know whether the Church leaders had anything to do with that.

Even today, the Church requires that people only rest from servile labor, if possible, to make time for God.
Actually, Breaking Bread and gathering to Worship was a direct custum of the Apostolic Church–check the Acts!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I do not think that the query meant to ask why we do not observe the Jewish Sabbath… if you are Catholic or any other Christian–escept for the 7th dayers that still hold Saturday as the Sabbath, you can work on Friday and Saturday… Sunday should be a day of rest: a day we commemorate to Yahweh God and rest from our obligations.

Maran atha!

Angel
Does this mean it’s all right for doctors to let people die on Sunday/Sabbath?

Should firemen let houses burn down?

Should police refuse to answer even 911 calls?
 
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