The term "Herd immunity" only refers to those who live. Please stop using it?

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no i do not see an improvement and its across the board with age groups. Theres always those rare few who truly pay attention and make a point of knowing what the doctor wants them to take and why and ask questions and do some research but most of all know something about the way their body works. Doctors dont have time to hold a lesson on anatomy and physiology with their patients,
 
Doctors dont have time to hold a lesson on anatomy and physiology with their patients,
Then I’d find another doctor as mine always makes time for my questions!

If the patient isn’t asking, then I doubt most doctors would take the time. Some do, however. They want their patient educated. Maybe because I was in healthcare I knew which doctors really wanted their patients to be involved in their own care. I think the internet has brought so much…sometimes, too much…information forward for those that look for it and I certainly saw more patients asking questions compared to my parents…who would have never thought to question their doctor! It may be a slow process but I think it is getting better. Even at a rate of 20% more every ten years, it will be everyone in 50 years?

I had to consult with patients at various times for lab procedures to be performed and I always explained not only what I needed them to do to prepare for their test but information on what the test was for and possible follow up tests. And I always asked them, “Any further questions I can answer?” We we’re trained to do so.
 
i had to take my father to his doctors for a number of years and I made a point to never say I was an RN. Most were fine, but now and then I met doctors i didnt want him to go back to. Same later on with my husband I went to all his Doctor appts. I know Ive heard it said that nurses make the worst patients, I know that is me!
 
i have a memory of taking my father to a doctor and my father was about 89 maybe 90 and we walked into the room and a tall young doctor came in and said " Lets take a look at ya, Gramps" I didnt like him immediatly for that. I found him a different Doctor.
 
If he said that to me, I’d transform into a Karen, fire him on the spot and walk out.
 
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i dont agree with your assumption about how children were regarded as wierd kids but you think they were just undiagnosed autism children. What is the documentation on that theory?
The more important question is where is the documentation on the theory that autism is caused by vaccines? That is the real question. I’ll answer it for you right now: There isn’t any. What there is is mountains of studies that disprove that theory.
Mary, I agree with you. I spoke to a recently retired school teacher and administrator. I asked if it is true that kids today are less healthy than kids when she was a young teacher back in the 1970s. She very strongly agreed.

I spoke to a former teacher around age 50 who also felt strongly about this. She said she actually left teaching because kids are so much less mentally healthy today than when she started teaching.

A seemingly retirement-age teacher of young kids makes that point in this clip of the documentary movie Trace Amounts, on the link between various sources of mercury and autism.

The roughly 20 minute segment of the documentary starting with some comments by a former director of the US National Institutes of Health will be revealing for those new to the subject. If you’ve never heard from university professors and other researchers, that 20 minute clip will have statements and or data from roughly 8 of them.

Leaf wrote, “where is the documentation on the theory that autism is caused by vaccines?”

“Cause” is a strong word. I’ve not heard many people with a PhD talk about vaccines as the only cause of most cases of autism even if they suspect toxins in the vaccines as a major contributing factor.

I like Dr. Stephanie Seneff of MIT on this subject. She suspects the increased use of glyphosate–Roundup weed killer, etc–is a factor in the increase in Autism spectrum disorders. She suspects glyphosate is making other toxins more toxic to kids today than they were a generation ago, this includes mercury and aluminum in vaccines. Thankfully they removed most of the mercury that was in the crazy 1990s vaccine schedule but they then added a flu shot for pregnant women which often contains mercury. So the developing kids get their first dose of a neuro-toxin in the womb! : ( There is more on this subject in the clip of Trace Amounts, including statements from a professor who did research on monkeys.

There is plenty of data out there on the subject of toxins and autism, including vaccines. There is also plenty of reason to question some of the studies done by the CDC to whitewash the situation. What a corrupt mess they are. I’ll dig up links from my notes if requested.

This history of shady studies makes me suspicious of the recommendations by the CDC, FDA, NIH today.
 
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I agree. First off, we don’t know how long immunity of any kind lasts. Immunity might not be like chicken pox, it might end up being seasonal.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The more important question is where is the documentation on the theory that autism is caused by vaccines? That is the real question. I’ll answer it for you right now: There isn’t any. What there is is mountains of studies that disprove that theory.
A seemingly retirement-age teacher of young kids makes that point in this clip of the documentary movie Trace Amounts, on the link between various sources of mercury and autism.
No, no, no, no, no! That is not where you go to get authoritative information. Trace Amounts is a groundless conspiracy theory. You can find anything you want on the Internet, especially on YouTube. That does not mean it can be trusted. The fact is there is not even a correlation between vaccines and autism - much less a causitive proof. Because of the conspiracy theory, this supposed correlation is the most studied issue in all of immunology. The experts all agree - there is no link.
Leaf wrote, “where is the documentation on the theory that autism is caused by vaccines?”

“Cause” is a strong word. I’ve not heard many people with a PhD talk about vaccines as the only cause of most cases of autism even if they suspect toxins in the vaccines as a major contributing factor.
What some people suspect does not matter. What has been scientifically shown does matter.
I like Dr. Stephanie Seneff of MIT on this subject. She suspects the increased use of glyphosate–Roundup weed killer, etc–is a factor in the increase in Autism spectrum disorders. She suspects glyphosate is making other toxins more toxic to kids today than they were a generation ago, this includes mercury and aluminum in vaccines.
Vaccines do not have glyphosate, so this is a red herring. Please don’t fall for it. We don’t need more conspiracy theories undermining public trust in our medical systems.
: ( There is more on this subject in the clip of Trace Amounts, including statements from a professor who did research on monkeys.
People are not monkeys. The effect on people has been studied very intensely. There is no effect.
There is plenty of data out there on the subject of toxins and autism, including vaccines.
Correction: there are plenty of conspiracy theories on the Internet about vaccines and autism.
There is also plenty of reason to question some of the studies done by the CDC to whitewash the situation.
Another conspiracy theory. Don’t fall for it.
I’ll dig up links from my notes if requested.
Please no more far out YouTube conspiracy theorists!
This history of shady studies makes me suspicious of the recommendations by the CDC, FDA, NIH today.
When people trust YouTube videos more than our public health professionals, we are in real trouble. Please stop spreading misinformation.
 
Reasonable concern for one’s children is fine, but a pathological distrust of all vaccines is quite another thing. And that is exactly what fake news websites like NaturalNews are doing to raise the fear level.

It is strange because the very same people who inflate the risk to their children due to the vaccines are often the same people who say that the fear of covid-19 is overblown, even though 140,000 people have died of it in 5 months. How many children have died of vaccinations in that time? Any at all?
Oh, that is a really interesting subject.

Firstly I’ve been getting emails from Naturalnews.com for many years. I don’t think they are broadly anti-vaccine, but rather concerned about safety, corruption at the CDC, etc. They have been quite alarmist about Covid, not dismissive–examples below. Unfortunately they are quite anti-Catholic.


This is an excerpt from the article above
as the editor of Natural News, I’m not even an opponent of the theory of immunization! If vaccines were honestly marketed with credible descriptions of their inherent risks, thereby allowing parents to make informed decisions about those risks, there would probably be very little resistance against them. (And if all the toxic preservatives and adjuvants were removed from vaccines, there might not be any resistance at all.)

Gerberding then left the CDC and got a high-level job at vaccine manufacturer, Merck. Was the fox guarding the hen house?


So if the lead scientist stole $1 million of the study’s money how did he complete the study supposedly disproving a link between mercury and autism?


After reading the article above I sent the editor a strong message including a link to the US National Bioethics Center, an org that has quite a few major archbishops on their board.



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Your question about the number of kids who died from vaccines during the pandemic is very interesting as well.

Striking Decline of Premature Births and SIDS [Sudden Infant Death] During COVID
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...irths-sids-striking-decline-during-covid.aspx

Excerpt:
The death rate among children in the U.S. has also mysteriously dropped during the lockdowns, from an average of 700 per week to fewer than 500 per week during the months of April and May. Most of this change is attributed to a decline in infant mortality
Doctors and researchers suggest reduced vaccination rates during the pandemic may have played a role by reducing the number of infants dying from SIDS
Lessons from the Lockdown—Why Are So Many Fewer Children [especially infants] Dying?


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Obviously there is no proof here, but it is interesting.
 
Joegrane: I like Dr. Stephanie Seneff of MIT on this subject. She suspects the increased use of glyphosate–Roundup weed killer, etc–is a factor in the increase in Autism spectrum disorders. She suspects glyphosate is making other toxins more toxic to kids today than they were a generation ago, this includes mercury and aluminum in vaccines.
Vaccines do not have glyphosate, so this is a red herring. Please don’t fall for it. We don’t need more conspiracy theories undermining public trust in our medical systems.
Maybe you misunderstood.

Dr Seneff is saying Roundup/glyphosate is affecting production of human detox-related substances, etc and so become more vulnerable to various toxins, including the toxins in vaccines–mercury, aluminum, etc.
 
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Firstly I’ve been getting emails from Naturalnews.com for many years.
That is a far-right conspiracy website. It is about as far from being a reputable source of information as you can get. Don’t trust anything you read there. Do not pollute your mind with anything you might get from them.
If vaccines were honestly marketed with credible descriptions of their inherent risks, thereby allowing parents to make informed decisions about those risks, there would probably be very little resistance against them.
That is demonstrably false. Fake news sources can drum up resistance out of nothing.
 
Maybe you misunderstood.

Dr Seneff is saying Roundup/glyphosate is affecting production of human detox-related substances, etc and so become more vulnerable to various toxins, including the toxins in vaccines–mercury, aluminum, etc.
Dr. Seneff is not saying that vaccines cause autism. That conclusion comes from your conspiracy theory websites.
 
When people trust YouTube videos more than our public health professionals, we are in real trouble. Please stop spreading misinformation
I’m not an expert on public health, so I had been inclined to go with recognized experts. But I am an expert in another field. I have seen how the government and media chooses to make “recognized experts” anyone who promotes their agenda.

They bypass others I know to be equally qualified, who don’t support their agenda. Those others don’t get promoted in their fields, so over time so over time the media proclaims an increasing percent of experts support X.

Research supporting X gets published. Research equally valid that does not support X does not get published. It may get labelled as fake news if people try to present it on social media.

So I am cautious.
 
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