The term "Herd immunity" only refers to those who live. Please stop using it?

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If you believe that people should have the right to choose and your choice is life.

There are two common, but contrasting thoughts about abortion among libertarians.

One says that the fetus is an invasion upon the life of the mother and that she has the right to protect herself from that invasion.

The other says that the fetus/baby was put there against its will and therefore, it is the duty of the mother to protect it until it can be safely removed, i.e., full-term birth.

I’m in the camp of the latter opinion.
 
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are these third world countries? can the people read? are they being used as guinea pigs for research? do they do whatever they are told and get something in return, like food and shelter? I wouldnt be surprized.
 
tuffsmurf said:
What is your opinion on countries without mandatory vaccinations and yet almost everyone gets them? Coersion is not the way to go.
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I have no idea what country you are speaking of, whether the society is different, whether education is mandatory, and what the results are. Your claim is overly broad and vague.

This is the sort of argument one sees that is so broad as to be useless, and has nothing to do with the conversation in the United States. But to answer your question, what people do that home-school is not my concern. But if one wants the privilege of attending public school, then I want to see mandatory vaccinations, with private schools providing their own rules.
tuffsmurf said:
How can you be both pro-life and pro-choice?
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How can you be pro-life and anti-vaccination, as universal vaccination has saved so many lives?




Opposing vaccination and abortion is a hypocritical contradiction. The Catholic Church is pro-life, not just pro-birth.
 
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As someone that has had measles, rubella and mumps and remembers them, I’m very glad I was able to protect my children by vaccinating them. As an adopted child because her father got mumps in high school and was sterile as a result, it’s another reason.

I also am old enough to remember quarantine signs on doors during polio epidemics…thus another reason. And pictures people in iron lungs…and people walking around with one leg shorter than the other wearing special shoes and using crutches…the kind we called polio crutches.

It’s also true that most doctors have never seen measles. If a case ever came in, I can envision a ton of doctors stopping in to take a look at a disease they have only read about and have seen pictures of!
 
I am not against vaccination in any way. I actively support vaccines being distributed to third world countries, for example, and my children will be vaccinated.
 
PaulinVA said:
I don’t find people who support Trump to be all that silent.
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They aren’t silent in real life, in person. But they are wildly under represented or unheard in the Public Square (90 percent of the media, college campus, other public arenas).
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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mary77:
there are real risks to vaccines, and perhaps too you can research yourself…
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…as long as you don’t count reading NaturalNews and similar far-right fake news sites as “research”. Read the authoritative sources.
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One reason many seek out, shall we say “alternate” news sources is because so many formerly “authoritative” science or health news sources have been more or less politicized…and in one direction.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
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mary77:
there are real risks to vaccines, and perhaps too you can research yourself…
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…as long as you don’t count reading NaturalNews and similar far-right fake news sites as “research”. Read the authoritative sources.
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One reason many seek out, shall we say “alternate” news sources is because so many formerly “authoritative” science or health news sources have been more or less politicized…and in one direction.
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Yes, I totally agree. Trump has been very successful in turning the CDC and the NIH into political issues. It was not their choice.
 
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I am a registered nurse and do not read alternative fake news about medical matters. There certainly have always been and are fake people trying to sell products to uneducated people and can be heard every weekend across the radio stations but there are also some questionable practices co-mingled with the best resources we have available for research. As an RN my duty is to be an advocate for any patient, any age, any circumstance. I have had many patients throughout the years who take medicine and dont know anything about what they are taking, Prescribed medications , they identify them by color and have blurred ideas about what each medication does. That is reality.
 
Mary, I agree that many elderly aren’t informed or knowledgeable about the often large amounts of meds they are on. I think that’s a dying trend however. Most people under say 70 do seem to question much more when prescribed medications. Pharmacists, too, ask if the patient has any questions when checking out.

I also think doctors are getting much better at reviewing all the meds their patients are on as well as asking if they are taking any prescriptions not from their office then reviewing if any are at cross purposes or unnecessary. My doctor even insists I list all non prescription items I take…vitamins, wellness types or biotics, etc.

While not gone, I think the days of people only saying they take two blue pills, one green and one white are fading. People are getting much more involved in their healthcare and not treating doctors like gods…as many did in the past! Are you seeing this, too?
 
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