The term "Herd immunity" only refers to those who live. Please stop using it?

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Again, I beg you to stop before this misinformation takes life. I get that people want to see for themselves, so I will add one more thing for those that get sucked into this idea. You will always find cases, anecdotes of where someone was vaccinated and x,y, or z happened. With hundreds of millions of cases, of course this will happen, as it has always happened before the first vaccine. That is why you should dismiss any case by case anecdotal, if you spend time messing with this sub-culture of anti-vaccination folk.

In the end, we must all listen to the voice of God when he asks what happened to our brother Abel. Unlike Cain, we have to understand that we are our brother’s keeper, even those of our family we will never know. We must not raise our children from the day of their birth to look only after their own interest at the cost of human life. We will one day need have to show our consistency in the value of all human life.
 
note the sentence that says " settlement" . That is where they take the money and dont say anything to anyone about what happened.
 
we would not know, most of the vaccine injurys are never made public.
 
search the forum replies someone posted the actual facts about settlements.
 
PaulinVA said:
The anti-vaxxers depend on the rest of us vaccinating our kids to keep up the herd immunity so their precious little ones are safe from deadly childhood diseases. I find that distasteful.
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That is not true at all. While I’m not an anti-vaxxer (I’m pro choice), I don’t care if everybody or nobody got vaccinated. I don’t depend upon what others do. My precious little ones are now grown adults (except for one of them) and I believe we are all healthy because of the choices that we made, not because of the choices that others made.
 
RuthAnne said:
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PaulinVA:
The anti-vaxxers depend on the rest of us vaccinating our kids to keep up the herd immunity so their precious little ones are safe from deadly childhood diseases. I find that distasteful.
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That is not true at all. While I’m not an anti-vaxxer (I’m pro choice), I don’t care if everybody or nobody got vaccinated. I don’t depend upon what others do. My precious little ones are now grown adults (except for one of them) and I believe we are all healthy because of the choices that we made, not because of the choices that others made.
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What you believe and what is medically true are two different things.
 
RuthAnne said:
That is not true at all. While I’m not an anti-vaxxer (I’m pro choice), I don’t care if everybody or nobody got vaccinated.
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What I meant by my statement was that herd immunity is really a thing. A certain number of kids need to be vaccinated to maintain herd immunity for each disease.

Anti-vaxxers depend on herd immunity (whether they admit it or not) to allow their kids to not be vaccinated. If no one vaccinated their children, we would be back in the times when hundreds of children died each year. That would be a Bad Thing™

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?​

Before the middle of the last century, diseases like whooping cough, polio, measles, Haemophilus influenzae , and rubella struck hundreds of thousands of infants, children and adults in the U.S… Thousands died every year from them. As vaccines were developed and became widely used, rates of these diseases declined until today most of them are nearly gone from our country.
  • Nearly everyone in the U.S. got measles before there was a vaccine, and hundreds died from it each year. Today, most doctors have never seen a case of measles.
  • More than 15,000 Americans died from diphtheria in 1921, before there was a vaccine. Only two cases of diphtheria have been reported to CDC between 2004 and 2014.
  • An epidemic of rubella (German measles) in 1964-65 infected 12½ million Americans, killed 2,000 babies, and caused 11,000 miscarriages. Since 2012, 15 cases of rubella were reported to CDC
 
You and your children are healthy because you were born in a developed country where common childhood diseases such as whooping cough and polio are rare due to vaccinations.

I was born in an underdeveloped country and wasn’t vaccinated at all. I nearly died as a baby due to contracting whooping cough. To this day, I suffer from repercussions due to this disease. I also suffered from rubella and measles. I still harbor that virus within me. Also nearly died.

So yeah, it’s due to your environment that you and your children are healthy. If you have lived in a dirt poor country, like I have, I doubt you’ll be saying the same thing.
 
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Whatever ya’ll think is fine. As long as I get to choose, I’m happy 😊
 
RuthAnne said:
Whatever ya’ll think is fine. As long as I get to choose, I’m happy 😊
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I find it interesting that the term pro-choice is criticized when applied to abortion supporters for being too ambiguous and generalize and obfuscating the fact that those people are really pro-abortion. Similarly, claiming the right to choose with regard to vaccination is also too ambiguous.

Clearly there are many decisions regarding vaccinations. Some of them are in the realm of personal choice. Others are not. One of the choices one does not have in modern society is the choice to have kids in school and not have certain vaccinations. And that is as it should be. As to exactly which of those vaccinations should be mandatory, that is open to debate. But once the debate has been had and a decision has been reached, it is proper to require compliance.
 
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Airborn peanut allergy is a myth though… there is no scientific proof of anafylactic shock being possible without actually having peanuts in your mouth. A lot of people with allergies experience psychological stress if they smell what they are allergic to, but that isn’t the same thing.
 
What is your opinion on countries without mandatory vaccinations and yet almost everyone gets them? Coersion is not the way to go.
 
tuffsmurf said:
What is your opinion on countries without mandatory vaccinations and yet almost everyone gets them?
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I don’t know which countries you mean, but they are probably countries that are more homogeneous and civic-minded that follow what their leaders suggest. Unfortunately that describes very few countries - certainly not the US.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I find it interesting that the term pro-choice is criticized when applied to abortion supporters for being too ambiguous and generalize and obfuscating the fact that those people are really pro-abortion.
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It isn’t a fact. I’m a former Libertarian and I hobnob a lot with Libertarians and libertarians. I can tell you from my experience that most libertarians that I know are both pro-choice and pro-life. I don’t happen to be one of them, but there are a lot of them around.
LeafByNiggle said:
One of the choices one does not have in modern society is the choice to have kids in school and not have certain vaccinations.
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My kids have all been in school and not vaccinated. Perhaps you meant to say public school? In which case, that matters not to me. I prefer to raise my kids rather than turn it over to the state.
 
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