The tree of knowledge and misunderstanding of evil among Catholic!

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808Catholic said:
I’m not saying Catholics have ALL the truth but we are closer because we have Tradition and the Magisterium that’s been pondering these very issues for over 2,000 years.
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The Catholic Church has the fullness of Truth. No other truth is necessary or relevant outside the Deposit of Faith.
 
Elizium23 said:
The Catholic Church has the fullness of Truth. No other truth is necessary or relevant outside the Deposit of Faith.
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Which is not to say we have ALL the truth. We will continue to be led by the Spirit until the end of time and we’ll continue to uncover more truth as we go.
 
Elizium23 said:
It is both, as the quote said. Please pay attention!
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God can only will good. So neither of your definition could help! A fruit cannot be good and evil (absence of good) and God cannot create a fruit which is good and evil (opposite of good).
 
808Catholic said:
So, by your reasoning, Adam and Eve, both created by God, raised themselves up by eating of the Tree of Knowledge and God decided to kick them out of the garden because they might eat of the Tree of Life and live forever. Now that they knew good from evil, could not God just have given them a command to not eat of the Tree of Life? And if they did, God being their Creator, could kill them in punishment, yes? Why, in following your logic, would God be forced to expel them from the garden?

If Eternal God, without beginning or end, created a creature who could eat the fruit of a tree He created and become like God, would that mean that God is NOT God but simply a great magician? God has no beginning or end; He was not created. Yet, by your logic, He created creatures who could become like Him but He has no beginning so He could not have created such creatures and they could not become like Him.

If you depend on everything written in the Bible as the ONLY direction from God, you would hold the partial truth as many of our wayward brothers and sisters do today. I’m not saying Catholics have ALL the truth but we are closer because we have Tradition and the Magisterium that’s been pondering these very issues for over 2,000 years. While there is no statement why they were ejected from the garden, we can see from other examples in the Bible where people disobey God and are punished.
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Well I know all questions you raised to be valid. I am wondering how you could live with them?
 
thinkandmull said:
Does anyone have quotes from Augustine on the tree of life?
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Let’s not get too caught up in proof texts. This thread is based on the faulty premise that God cannot create a tree that bears both good and evil fruits.
 
808Catholic said:
Let’s not get too caught up in proof texts. This thread is based on the faulty premise that God cannot create a tree that bears both good and evil fruits.
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Yes, he cannot do something which is logically impossible whether you define evil as lack of good or opposite of good. There is no faulty in premise here.
 
Bahman said:
God can only will good. So neither of your definition could help! A fruit cannot be good and evil (absence of good) and God cannot create a fruit which is good and evil (opposite of good).
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You keep repeating that, and it indicates to me that you don’t understand what we are telling you, and we’re going in circles. Perhaps you’d be better off in a forum in your native language.

The definition of evil is not my definition and not from any other random person. The definition is provided by the Church. The Church wrote and approved the document we quoted, the Catechism. So your incoherent argument is against the Church, not against us alone.
 
Elizium23 said:
You keep repeating that, and it indicates to me that you don’t understand what we are telling you, and we’re going in circles. Perhaps you’d be better off in a forum in your native language.

The definition of evil is not my definition and not from any other random person. The definition is provided by the Church. The Church wrote and approved the document we quoted, the Catechism. So your incoherent argument is against the Church, not against us alone.
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A definition from Church! So what? They could be wrong. I am not doing thing in circle. My argument is very plain and simple: God can only will good. So neither of your definition couldn’t help! A fruit cannot be good and evil (absence of good) and God cannot create a fruit which is good and evil (opposite of good) since Good can only will good.
 
The Church is not wrong. If the Church could be wrong, then Jesus was a liar, and the gates of Hell prevailed. Thankfully, He tells us the Truth, and uses His Church to do it.

So you are wrong. Dead wrong.
 
Bahman said:
God can only will good. So neither of your definition could help! A fruit cannot be good and evil (absence of good) and God cannot create a fruit which is good and evil (opposite of good).
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Why do you think the fruit was evil? Eating of the fruit was evil, as an act of disobedience of God. That *act *resulted in the *knowledge *of evil, probably because that act, itself, was their very first experience of evil-and of the consequence that instantly accompanied it: a state of being outside the will of God.
 
Bahman said:
All you said is good. You however didn’t answer my question: How a fruit could be good and evil?
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If you want to know about fruit, my suggestion is to check with the manager of your grocery store.
 
fhansen said:
Why do you think the fruit was evil? Eating of the fruit was evil, as an act of disobedience of God. That *act *resulted in the *knowledge *of evil, probably because that act, itself, was their very first experience of evil-and of the consequence that instantly accompanied it: a state of being outside the will of God.
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This is your interpretation. Bible says otherwise. Moreover: Then the LORD God said: “See! The man has become like one of us, knowing what is good and what is bad! Therefore, he must not be allowed to put out his hand to take fruit from the tree of life also, and thus eat of it and live forever.”
 
grannymh said:
If you want to know about fruit, my suggestion is to check with the manager of your grocery store.
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I checked with the manager of the grocery store (God) and he mentioned that the story is fake, man made. It seems to me that you are very very well literate in story of Adam and Eve since you have three thread on this topic. I am wondering about the tone of your answer which is quite unreasonable.
 
Bahman said:
Well I know all questions you raised to be valid. I am wondering how you could live with them?
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I can live with all these questions because I know I’m not capable of understanding the truth behind them. If/When the Holy Spirit gives me the truth, I pray I am worthy and capable of receiving God’s message, understanding it, and putting it into daily practice. This is the Catholic faith. God Bless you. 👍
 
808Catholic said:
I can live with all these questions because I know I’m not capable of understanding the truth behind them. If/When the Holy Spirit gives me the truth, I pray I am worthy and capable of receiving God’s message, understanding it, and putting it into daily practice. This is the Catholic faith. God Bless you. 👍
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Perhaps there is no truth behind all these questions since the whole story is illogical.
 
Bahman said:
I checked with the manager of the grocery store (God) and he mentioned that the story is fake, man made. It seems to me that you are very very well literate in story of Adam and Eve since you have three thread on this topic. I am wondering about the tone of your answer which is quite unreasonable.
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Please accept my sincere apology. The offending post has been deleted.
Unfortunately, the play on words was not as apparent as I thought. :o
This older than dirt granny needs a break.
 
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