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Sister_Amy
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The Qur’an is NOT Allah.
Don’t you get that? Stop saying it is. It’s NOT.
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Don’t you get that? Stop saying it is. It’s NOT.
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Sister_Amy
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There is no evidence to suggest that.
Christians don’t believe God has multiple personalities, for one.
Secondly, you said that one personality has to be dominant which would mean that the three in the trinity couldn’t be equal by that analogy.
Thirdly, there is no proof at all that God needs anything. The existence of the universe doesn’t prove it, because God created the universe and doesn’t necessarily need to abide by its rules.
Plus, you said that something would be dormant, like a rock. But God created rocks. Do rocks need to act?
Seriously, there is no evidence at all, and I’m just kind of playing with you here. You have no logic, as I’ve refuted your premises.
So we can stop if you want, resting on the conclusion that trinity is not a logical conclusion if one assumes the existence of God. Only “ONE” and absolute “UNITY” is logical.
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inJESUS
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the creed differentiates between the Quran **AS A BOOK OF INK AND PAPER **and the Quran AS THE ETERNAL WORD OF ALLAH.
The Quran as a book is NOT Allah. The Quran AS THE WORD of Allah IS Allah.
Clearer now? if not, then maybe you can tell me what does it mean that the Quran is not Allah, yet it is uncreated and eternal? does it mean you believe in 2 different uncreated and eternal entities?
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Sister_Amy
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The Qur’an is not Allah.
The Qur’an is the Word of Allah.
But the Qur’an is NOT Allah.
There’s no use in moving forward until you can grasp this essential point.
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inJESUS
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back to the question you do not want to discuss.
One is logical, ok. How come Allah and His Word are One is logical in Islam but illogical in Christianity? or are Allah and His uncreated Word 2 in Islam?
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Sister_Amy
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This is you, trying to impose a non-islamic teaching on Islam.
The Qur’an is NOT Allah. So don’t say they are “one,” because they aren’t the same.
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Rayaan
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In jesus, we dont take God or his wisdom and will to be a different entity, we dont talk or speak or think of them as anything except for God.
We dont describe them as three, we dont speak of them as different entities…
YOU DO…
You either talk about God (so called father), then Jesus the so called son, (who strangely happens to be God himself)… then some third entity called the spirit, which you identify as a different entity to God and Jesus…
You then make strange statements…
like the other day I stated WHY would God want a man (jesus) tortured, humiliated and brutally killed to forgive the sins of other people…
So many Christians then reply, by saying that God did not want jesus to be killed or slaughtered,
Jesus CHOSE TO BE BRUTALLY KILLED SO, GOD WOULD FORGIVE HUMANITY…
But if you call jesus God, then that means God wanted HIMSELF brutally slaughtered by humans, so he could then forgive humanity
it all goes around in a circle where you keep talking of God as 3 different entities and then the same entity in the same sentence.
Its confusing, because it makes NO sense.
We dont describe them as three, we dont speak of them as different entities…
YOU DO…
You either talk about God (so called father), then Jesus the so called son, (who strangely happens to be God himself)… then some third entity called the spirit, which you identify as a different entity to God and Jesus…
You then make strange statements…
like the other day I stated WHY would God want a man (jesus) tortured, humiliated and brutally killed to forgive the sins of other people…
So many Christians then reply, by saying that God did not want jesus to be killed or slaughtered,
Jesus CHOSE TO BE BRUTALLY KILLED SO, GOD WOULD FORGIVE HUMANITY…
But if you call jesus God, then that means God wanted HIMSELF brutally slaughtered by humans, so he could then forgive humanity
it all goes around in a circle where you keep talking of God as 3 different entities and then the same entity in the same sentence.
Its confusing, because it makes NO sense.
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AgnosTheist
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God’s product: the Universe, is the overwhelming evidence that you refuse to see.
They would resist the term for its negative medical implications, but its technically the same thing.
In the doctrine of the Trinity, all 3 persons are the same in essence. But each differs in rank: Like Jesus always submits to the will of the Father. Agree?
who said about abiding by its rules? what about looking at it in reverse? life abides by gods natural need to act. this is a jewish concept, that we reflect some of god’s attributes. because according to them, when God BREATHED life into adam & eve, he imparted some of his spirit into humanity.
oh my goodness. i’m just using the rock’s attributes to prove my point.
no, all you did is play blind. you cant open your mind to reason if it means giving the trinity a chance. because you cannot overcome your biases.
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inJESUS
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Sister_Amy
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Meh.
here’s your argument:
God exists.
the universe exists.
therefore God needed to create it.
my argument:
God exists.
the universe exists.
therefore God created it.
you haven’t shown NEED.
here’s your argument:
God exists.
the universe exists.
therefore God needed to create it.
my argument:
God exists.
the universe exists.
therefore God created it.
you haven’t shown NEED.
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Sister_Amy
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Very nice.
The Qur’an is not an “entity.”
]quote]the Quran is NOT Allah AS A BOOK
The Quran is Allah as HIS UNCREATED WORD.
Repeat after me: The Qur’an is NOT ALLAH. The Word of Allah is NOT ALLAH. It is HIS WORD. NOT HIM.
Repeating: the Qur’an is not an entity. The Qur’an is not Allah.
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AgnosTheist
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My argument actually revolves around yours:
God created the Universe therefore he exhibited a Need to Act.
You have yet to show an argument that contradicts that.
The religious belief that God created & continues to create different worlds further proves my point.
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Sister_Amy
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Here is an argument that contradicts yours.
“God did not “need” to act.”
I am touching my nose right now… does that mean I “need” to touch my nose?
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inJESUS
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AgnosTheist
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and your evidence to back that up?
Not the actual need to touch your nose. But you do need to do something. you cant just stay still. you cant just remain dormant. you need to act.
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Sister_Amy
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God existed eternally, and the universe has not. The fact that God created the universe didn’t demonstrate a “need” to do anything. You’re the one who needs evidence to back up your statement. Why is “need” a factor?
I am not God.
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inJESUS
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and his Word existed eternally.
Is His Word something seperate and beside Allah?
yes or no would do
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Sister_Amy
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This is not a creed.
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Sister_Amy
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Is your word something separate and beside you?and his Word existed eternally.
Is His Word something seperate and beside Allah?
yes or no would do
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AgnosTheist
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Thats like trying to stay still for as long as you can, but eventually must make a move.
so why did god create the universe? whats the point of being omnipotent if there is nothing to show for it? doing something is something that God had to do.
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