The Truth About Islam

[Jay53]

Nonsense & hogwash my dear friend… … A good ol’ Irish Whiskey or Guinness Stout for you…!

No si-si cocktails allowed in the “ignore pen”… …

How do I join the club? I want to join too!!! Oh wait, I know, just speak the truth about Islam! (Ironically the name of this thread! )

 

[lost_wanderer_1]

Here is an article from a Japanese guy named Yashiko Sagamori

Good article

 

[jakasaki]

How do I join the club? I want to join too!!! Oh wait, I know, just speak the truth about Islam! (Ironically the name of this thread! )

Well just keep posting the truth and “friendship” can call you a liar and then keep at it, eventually, you’ll end up in the “ignore pen” having cocktails with us… so, what’s your point Jay53? I’ll have it ready.

 

[lost_wanderer_1]

I don’t want you to explain your laws to me. I can read.

I want to know what you and any others are doing to change them to be less barbaric and atrocious?

I don’t want more double talk because that is all you are giving me. As for accusal, that is only in your mind. I am asking about your laws and about your Koran. If you Muslims keep them as they are then all you are doing is giving us a bunch of hogwash.

I don’t think you’ll get an answer for this sarge. She’s going in circles. I agree on what you said, if they do something about those laws it will destroy Islam. I guess the truth about their religion is really hard for them to accept since most of them are already brainwashed about Islam at a very young age. It is sad even toddlers are being taught hatred for the Jews when they should be learning more important and useful things in life. I think it is hopeless if we will rely on them to “change” their ways to be less barbaric. It is the people of the world who should adjust and take measures. On the other threads I think there was a suggestion that Islam should be banned in the west. Not a bad idea However I think that will be difficult. Discrimination like Arab countries do to non-muslims living in their country? Won’t work either in the west. Eradication? Out of the question without a global conflict plus even christians will be against this. So this leave us the truth that we just have to coexist with them in this God’s world.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Thank you. I am saying that Levantine Arabs are basically all the same. Some Palestinians are apparently descended from the Samaritans(who were partly Hebrew), but I do not think that they would readily admit that, while Arabs in the Gaza Strip likely have some Philistine(Greek) descent. However, Palestinians and [their “cousins”] the Jordanians and to, some extent, even the Iraqis do not have particularily identities which one from another. Basically, they are all just a big amalgamation of “Arabized”] Arab tribes. The states of Jordan(formerly Transjordan) and Iraq did not exist as actual entities until established British mandates by the Treaty of Versailles(and the consequent League of Nations). England has been said to even wanted to include Jordan’s territory in Israel but did not wish to overly offend the Arabs.What I am trying to say is that why should the Arabs in Palestine be given their own state(and makeIsrael weaker)? They are, frankly, just “Jordanians” whom were unwanted by the Hashemite government. The Palestinian/2-State Movement is nothing more than an anti-Semitic(and anti-American, if you wish) plot by Arab Muslims and their allies(I, for one, have mixed feelings toward the Arab world, which is certainly common among Persians, with the exception of my essentially pro-Zionistic stance).

Palestinian is not an ethnicity, it is a nationality. Palestinians since the coming of Islam have identified as Arabs. Palestinians, for all intents and purposes, are of Arab ethnicity.

 

[friendship]

I don’t want you to explain your laws to me. I can read.

I want to know what you and any others are doing to change them to be less barbaric and atrocious?

I don’t want more double talk because that is all you are giving me. As for accusal, that is only in your mind. I am asking about your laws and about your Koran. If you Muslims keep them as they are then all you are doing is giving us a bunch of hogwash.

Laws of Islam aren’t babaric and atrocious, to we must chang it.

 

[friendship]

The federal terrorism trial evidence from the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) is the same evidence the Domestic Intelligence Briefing is using to take down the MSA on our high school (and eventually all public school) campuses.

(I have already written that the MSA is a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood.)

Another man indicted on funneling money to Hamas This article brings out a lot about the tangled web of the Muslim Brotherhood’s front groups in our land. NAIT, MSA, ISNA are just a few of them.

This is some of the truth about Islam. That they wage Jihad in our lands and in this case they are waging it with their tongues and with their wealth. (Sharia laws o9)

The goal is the same as the violent Jihad. It is to establish sharia laws in our lands, to give us the options of death, conversion or subjugation if we don’t want conversion. People like me (atheist) do not have that last option. It is reserved only for people of the book.

If you do chose to look into this further you will see how they wrap the aura of holiness around their obvious political moves to undermine our society. There is no Islam as it is now without politics. There is no attempt to change it either.

I said before Quran and Islam don’t let us to kill non-sin people:

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors.(Quran2:190)

Anyone who kills a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people(Quran5:32)

 

[Jay53]

I said before Quran and Islam don’t let us to kill non-sin people:

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors.(Quran2:190)

Anyone who kills a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people(Quran5:32)

The problem is: what is “corruption in the land” and who defines what that is and where can we find this definition?

Just for example: There are 2 converts to Christianity in Egypt who have been threatened with death. Why is their conversion considered a “threat to public order” vs. the Quran’s edict that there is “no compulsion in religion”? Where are all the “real” Muslims following the “real” Islam protesting these fatwas and rallying for the “real” Islam to be practiced?

Several religious fatwas have been issued for “spilling his blood” after Maher asked an Egyptian Court to legally recognize his conversion, so he can one day be buried as a Christian and so his daughter won’t be forced into a marriage by her Muslim mother.

The court ruled a legal conversion to Christianity would threaten public order. His lawyer told us it’s a dangerous double standard because in Egypt a Christian can convert to the Muslim faith in a week, but a Muslim cannot convert to the Christian faith. liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/01/26/christian-in-egypt-they-try-to-kill-us/

 

[friendship]

The problem is: what is “corruption in the land” and who defines what that is and where can we find this definition?

Just for example: There are 2 converts to Christianity in Egypt who have been threatened with death. Why is their conversion considered a “threat to public order” vs. the Quran’s edict that there is “no compulsion in religion”? Where are all the “real” Muslims following the “real” Islam protesting these fatwas and rallying for the “real” Islam to be practiced?

It is the meaning of “فساد فی الارض” This means a condition that one is a danger for other’s life. For example 12 years ago Iranian Police catched a murderer who have killed 9 non-sins girls and women.(In Iran people know him as “khofashe shab”= night rerenouse) He hanged up as a “مفسد فی الارض”.

Islam didn’t ordered us two the ones who converted to another relegions.

 

[Jay53]

It is the meaning of “فساد فی الارض” This means a condition that one is a danger for other’s life. For example 12 years ago Iranian Police catched a murderer who have killed 9 non-sins girls and women.(In Iran people know him as “khofashe shab”= night rerenouse) He hanged up as a “مفسد فی الارض”.

Islam didn’t ordered us two the ones who converted to another relegions.

Then why do these people have religious fatwas against them and why aren’t the “real” Muslims doing anything to help them? Or do you know of some protests or movements or something being done to help these people, if these religious fatwas are truly against Islam?

 

[friendship]

Then why do these people have religious fatwas against them and why aren’t the “real” Muslims doing anything to help them? Or do you know of some protests or movements or something being done to help these people, if these religious fatwas are truly against Islam?

Some Muslims are radical. One of these radicals killed “Ali bin Abitaleb”. All muslims(followers of all cults of Islam) Know ali as one best servants of God. Sunnis know him as 4th khalifah and shiahs know him as 1st imam. But a radical killed him on base of doltish beliefs.

 

[Jay53]

Some of Muslims are radical. one of these radicals killed “Ali bin Abitaleb”. All muslims(followers of all cults of Islam) know ali as one best sevants of God. Sunnis know him as 4th khalifah and shiahs know him as 1st imam. But a radical killed him on base of doltish beliefs.

What does this have to do with these 2 Christians in Egypt who are being threatened with death for having converted to Christianity? I just want to know where is the outrage of all the “real” Muslims and where is their defense of these people if there truly is “no compulsion in religion”?

 

[friendship]

What does this have to do with these 2 Christians in Egypt who are being threatened with death for having converted to Christianity? I just want to know where is the outrage of all the “real” Muslims and where is their defense of these people if there truly is “no compulsion in religion”?

As I know in Islamic Fiqh, muslims can change their relegion or cult. They ever may go to heaven in doomsday if they search carefuly and choose a relegion without bigtory.

 

[Jay53]

As I know in Islamic Fiqh, muslims can change their relegion or cult. They ever may go to heaven in doomsday if they search carefuly and choose a relegion without bigtory.

So what are Muslims doing to help these people and stand up to the injustice that is being done?

Several religious fatwas have been issued for “spilling his blood” after Maher asked an Egyptian Court to legally recognize his conversion, so he can one day be buried as a Christian and so his daughter won’t be forced into a marriage by her Muslim mother.

The court ruled a legal conversion to Christianity would threaten public order. His lawyer told us it’s a dangerous double standard because in Egypt a Christian can convert to the Muslim faith in a week, but a Muslim cannot convert to the Christian faith. liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2…ry-to-kill-us/

I know English is not your first language, so I will try Google translate for this portion of the article to see if that helps, because I fear we are not understanding each other.

لعديد من الفتاوى الدينية وقد صدرت عن “اراقة دمه” بعد طلب ماهر من محكمة مصرية على الاعتراف القانوني اعتناقه ، ودفن حتى يتمكن من يوم واحد يكون بمثابة المسيحية وحتى ابنته لن يتم إجبارها على الزواج من مسلمة بلدها الأم .

وحكمت المحكمة لتحويل القانونية إلى المسيحية من شأنه أن يهدد النظام العام. محاميه قالوا لنا انها معيار مزدوج بسبب خطورة في مصر مسيحي يمكن تحويلها إلى العقيدة الإسلامية في غضون أسبوع ، ولكن المسلم لا يمكن تحويل إلى الإيمان المسيحي. liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2…ry-to-kill-us

 

[friendship]

So what are Muslims doing to help these people and stand up to the injustice that is being done?

I know English is not your first language, so I will try Google translate for this portion of the article to see if that helps, because I fear we are not understanding each other.

لعديد من الفتاوى الدينية وقد صدرت عن “اراقة دمه” بعد طلب ماهر من محكمة مصرية على الاعتراف القانوني اعتناقه ، ودفن حتى يتمكن من يوم واحد يكون بمثابة المسيحية وحتى ابنته لن يتم إجبارها على الزواج من مسلمة بلدها الأم .

وحكمت المحكمة لتحويل القانونية إلى المسيحية من شأنه أن يهدد النظام العام. محاميه قالوا لنا انها معيار مزدوج بسبب خطورة في مصر مسيحي يمكن تحويلها إلى العقيدة الإسلامية في غضون أسبوع ، ولكن المسلم لا يمكن تحويل إلى الإيمان المسيحي. liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2…ry-to-kill-us

I saw many muslims impugn it and I am too. If being a christian realy threats public order it will be usual to oanish the one but they must confirm it and they never can confirm that. I don’t think Christianiy is a threat for Islam. Quran says Christians are our best friends.

 

[dzheremi]

One must wonder about the Islamic definition of “friendship” if the Qur’an says such things as Qur’an 9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Of course, since the user “friendship” is about as good at “friendship” (the concept) as the Qur’an is at treating those it apparently considers friends in a fair or equitable manner, perhaps one doesn’t need to wonder. Actions speak louder than words, and we’ve seen enough of how “friendly” many Muslims are to their dearest best buddies, the Christians and the Jews…

 

[Jay53]

I saw many muslims impugn it and I am too. If being a christian realy threats public order it will be usual to oanish the one but they must confirm it and they never can confirm that. I don’t think Christianiy is a threat for Islam. Quran says Christians are our best friends.

I am happy to see that you disagree with this court - do you have any links to any news stories where Muslims have openly disagreed with this court and defended the Christians?

Do you know on what basis the court has made this decision and has issued these fatwas? There must be some sort of legal ruling or precedence that allows the court to rule in this manner.

 

[Jay53]

I just noticed that my link isn’t working. Here’s another source of the story for anyone who wants to read it.
unitedcopts.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4142&Itemid=73

and

egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=005436

 

[friendship]

I am happy to see that you disagree with this court - do you have any links to any news stories where Muslims have openly disagreed with this court and defended the Christians?

Do you know on what basis the court has made this decision and has issued these fatwas? There must be some sort of legal ruling or precedence that allows the court to rule in this manner.

I don’t know such link. But I have link in persian from one of greatest Islamic/shiee sites whitch explains that if some one leave Islam and convert to another relegions or be a atheist, no one can trouble him/her: pasokhgoo.ir/?q=fa/node/2731

I have a book about this discussion and we must study so much to have a correct view about it.

 

[staffsgt7]

Laws of Islam aren’t babaric and atrocious, to we must chang it.

That is good to know because then all those Muslims who say that the violent Jihadists are the ones who are misunderstanding Islam are outright lying. (o9) Those violent Jihadists are just following Sharia laws. Jihad is to be waged by all believers and it can be done by the tongue, with their wealth and violence is always an option.

There are no freedoms to others of other religions under Sharia laws.

Woman can be stoned if she doesn’t have 4 witnesses to a cruel and unmanly crime of rape.

Homosexuals are to be killed.

Apostates are to be killed.

Adulterers can be stoned, but all a man has to do is say ‘I divorce you’ three times.

Honor killings are ok if the man deems the woman has dishonored her family.

Martyrdom, or what we call suicide bombers/killers, are considered the most holy in Islam and will get on a fast path to your heaven.

Criticism of any aspect of Islam is considered a high crime of treason, even for those who are not believers, and can result in a death sentence. (how often have we heard that this is not true? Well, Sharia laws says it is ok, e12.8.)

this last one is very interesting and explains why the Muslims always bully and threaten, and sometimes sue and even resort to killing (in the case of Theo Van Gogh to give one example) those who tell the truth about Islam.

yep, folks this is what Sharia laws bring and this is what Muslims work to replacing our laws with.

Get a book of them and educate others as to what they mean to us. All the proclamations that Islam is peace or love is just some of that deception that is sanctioned to try to advance Islam on those who are ignorant of Islam. I got Reliance of the Traveller.

So we hear that the Jihadists are the misunderstanders of Islam when it just is not true and we got a Muslim here outright telling us that Sharia laws are fine as they are which means that the Jihadists are not misunderstanding Islam and this is why we don’t see Muslims doing anything about Islam to change the violence that is due to its laws and texts.